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erronis

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Mon Jun 15, 2026, 06:31 PM Monday

At 85 and healthy? Why more medicine may do more harm [View all]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2026-06-healthy-medicine.html
by James H. Stein, MD



I don't think I've seen this perspective before. As I'm slowly approaching my actuarial EOL, this has a lot of relevance.

When a patient has made it to 85 years old in reasonable health, their instinct--and often their physician's--is to redouble prevention efforts, optimize every number and close every gap. I want to argue the opposite.

If you have made it to 85 and are healthy and living independently, you have won the game of life. The appropriate response is not more medicine. It is recognizing what got you there and being very careful not to break it. We have precious few interventions that can reliably extend an 85-year-old's lifespan (let alone their health span) but an infinite number of ways we can mess it up.

What winning the game actually means

Average life expectancy at birth in the United States is roughly 78 years. A healthy 85-year-old has outlived that mark by nearly a decade, and someone born in 1940, when life expectancy at birth was closer to 63 years, has outlived what the actuarial tables of their birth year would have predicted by more than two decades.

Something is working, likely their genetics and lifestyle behaviors, acting together with a huge dose of good fortune, none of which we fully understand. That humility should inform everything that follows. This is a patient who succeeded at survival--not one who failed prevention--and interventions calibrated for a 58-year-old in a randomized clinical trial do not apply to them in any straightforward way.

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"... there is a specific harm in converting a healthy older adult into a medical project." Pinback Monday #1
My goal is to be on no medications bamagal62 Monday #14
Good for you! erronis Monday #16
I think longevity is like diarrhea, it runs in your genes. multigraincracker Monday #2
My mom's side of the family bamagal62 Monday #8
Moving is key. bamagal62 Monday #12
Just because I'm watching it and it fits with your comment - look up "Perfect Days" erronis Monday #17
I need to watch. bamagal62 Monday #21
I'm 76 and run 3 to 5 miles 3 to 4 days a week. multigraincracker Monday #22
Saw a film about Japanese heart health. multigraincracker Monday #24
Natto? bamagal62 Monday #26
I eat all kinds of fermented food and drinks. multigraincracker Monday #27
You should suss out bamagal62 Monday #33
Co-ops frequently sell natto. And miso and other fermented products. erronis Tuesday #34
If it's not broken... ultralite001 Monday #3
Wow - that took me back at least 60 years. erronis Monday #4
Omg cate94 Monday #15
I'm blessed with ADHD. multigraincracker Monday #28
I would argue that the age should be 75 not 85. kellytore Monday #5
At my last annual checkup, my young doctor said, Pinback Monday #6
Same here. Just glad I went to the eye doctor. multigraincracker Monday #29
My uncle died bamagal62 Monday #9
I'm very sorry to hear that. It can happen at any age, but we get a lot of them as we age. erronis Monday #18
I will say this was many years ago before it became routine. bamagal62 Monday #23
A thought provoking OP..... anciano Monday #7
I so agree! bamagal62 Monday #10
And when the opponent flips over his winning card. erronis Monday #11
The cards are shuffled randomly. You only multigraincracker Monday #30
I admit to HEAVY confirmation bias in favor of the article... TygrBright Monday #13
I like your philosophy. erronis Monday #20
I'd rather deal with the pain than take pain pills. multigraincracker Monday #31
I'm comfortable with my mortality. Dr. T Monday #19
Regarding colonoscopy, I've wondered whether the damage to the microbiome from the prep... lostnfound Monday #25
I never minded getting one. My brother multigraincracker Monday #32
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