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AloeVera

(2,130 posts)
16. Are you sure about that?
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 12:21 PM
Dec 29
'We Give Them 48 Hours to Leave': Israel's Plans to Transfer Gazans Go Back 60 Years'


Golda Meir: 'There's no other choice: We have to do it, either willingly or by force.'


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-05/ty-article-magazine/.premium/we-give-them-48-hours-to-leave-israels-plans-to-transfer-gazans-go-back-60-years/00000193-9716-dac2-add3-b75e12d30000

https://archive.is/xPiGh

Diluting the population," "evacuating homes," "expulsion," "exile," "emptying" and even "transfer." A broad array of words was used by Israeli government ministers during the historic deliberations in the 1960s and 1970s about the future of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

A perusal of the minutes in the Israel State Archives indicates that the present aspiration of the far right to "encourage emigration" of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip only echoes ideas and proposals that came up for discussion in the past – by prime ministers, ministers and leaders in left-wing governments, who were among the country's founding fathers.
The ministers had no shortage of ideas for solving the problem that was laid on their doorstep with the occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in the Six-Day War. At the time there were about one million Palestinians in the territories, about 400,000 of them in the Gaza Strip. There were proposals to send them out of the Gaza Strip to the West Bank, Jordan, Sinai, Arab countries or any other place in the world that could receive them – by force, by consent, by subterfuge and with all kinds of incentives.

"If we can evict 300,000 refugees from Gaza to other places … we can annex Gaza without a problem," said Defense Minister Moshe Dayan on June 25, 1967. He mentioned an idea that was acceptable at the time to the government, but in the end wasn't fully implemented – to annex the Gaza Strip to Israel, to empty it of the Palestinian refugees and then to settle it with Jews.
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"Because of these suffocating conditions and the enclosure there, maybe the Arabs will move from the Strip, but even afterward about 400,000 Arabs will remain here [in Israel] and another 150,000 will remain in Gaza," added Eshkol at the end of the year. The new solution he proposed was harsh. "It's possible that if we don't give them enough water they won't have any choice, because the orchards will turn yellow and wither. But we can't know all that ahead of time. Who knows, maybe we can expect another war and then this problem will be solved, but that's a kind of luxury, an unexpected solution," he said.

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The term "force" also began to be used later in the discussion. Religious Affairs Minister Warhaftig told Meir: "It would be better to use force if there's a need for force, but only in the midst of a major commotion." He explained that there was a need to wait for a deterioration or a war to forcibly expel people from their homes

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Bolding mine.

People deny it, but Zionism has always- from its inception - been about forcing the natives out to make room for Greater Israel, the Land of Israel, only for Jews. Look up some of the statements by its founding fathers.

The subterfuge, gaslighting and (self)-deception required to deny this must be exhausting. Israelis and supporters must be very tired by now.

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In terms of security he's right. Mosby Dec 28 #1
I'm sure the Palestinians who say it aren't thinking about their security. Eko Dec 28 #2
That was always their plan. Drive all the Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt. patphil Dec 28 #3
Except Egypt won't take a single Palestinian. Mosby Dec 28 #4
That's a horrible argument in many ways. Eko Dec 28 #5
Not nearly as horrible as patphi's argument. Mosby Dec 28 #7
You should just be able to agree that it is a horrible argument without having to turn around and attack someone else. Eko Dec 28 #9
If you think their argument is horrible then make your case to them just like I did. Eko Dec 28 #10
You didn't make much of a case, and one extremely tenuous claim does not comprise "reasons". lapucelle Dec 29 #11
Its nothing like it except for the part where they wont take them in. Eko Dec 29 #15
Your citation reads "The United States and the Refugee Crisis, 1938-41" lapucelle Dec 29 #18
I never said anything about post WW2. Eko Dec 29 #22
And "at the end of WWII " is not post WW2 either. Eko Dec 29 #23
So now the contention is that UN Resolution 181 lapucelle Dec 29 #25
I never said that either. Eko Dec 29 #26
I said. Eko Dec 29 #27
Keep digging. lapucelle Dec 29 #30
Well I will bow to you as to the exact time frame I was talking about when I did not give an exact time frame. Eko Dec 29 #37
Are you sure about that? AloeVera Dec 29 #16
Yes, I'm sure about it. "Someone said something half a century ago" is not convincing evidence lapucelle Dec 29 #17
You obviously missed the point on purpose. AloeVera Dec 29 #21
How about a different reason from recently? Eko Dec 29 #24
That doesn't explain concrete and steel walls lapucelle Dec 29 #29
I think you can be against the smuggling of arms to a terrorist origination which was why the area was cleared Eko Dec 29 #38
I beg your pardon. This statement of yours is almost laughable. brush Dec 29 #28
Sounds like Israel needs a final solution to the Palestinian problem. Bok_Tukalo Dec 28 #6
What do you suggest? A single state? Mosby Dec 28 #8
Thanks to Trump voters, third party voters, and the Abandon Harris movement lapucelle Dec 29 #12
I still think Netanyahu is going to be removed or step down soon Mosby Dec 29 #32
"" The idea of annexing the OTs is wishful thinking promoted by a small minority of Israelis "" Israeli Tuesday #44
Then get rid of the coalition system Mosby Tuesday #47
Still cant get over the fact that you are calling .... Israeli Wednesday #49
Yup. JohnSJ Dec 29 #33
Absolutely agree with you Israeli Tuesday #43
I wonder how many posters here who have an anti/Israeli bias even JohnSJ Dec 29 #31
"coed"??? EarnestPutz Dec 29 #35
A "genocidal statement", no? AloeVera Dec 29 #13
The goose-stepping imagery is entirely coincidental and unintentional. AloeVera Dec 29 #14
"Of course I'm not serious." lapucelle Dec 29 #19
Ah the mocking and selective cutting and pasting... AloeVera Dec 29 #20
That's from 1977, things change. Mosby Dec 29 #34
Plus ca change... AloeVera Dec 29 #36
The Likud hasnt changed Israeli Tuesday #45
Israel needs to sabbat hunter Dec 29 #39
Dream on ..... Israeli Tuesday #46
I said sabbat hunter Tuesday #48
For a 'peacekeeping' force to be effective, surely there must be peace first? Aussie105 Dec 30 #40
Yeah they don't want peace, and that's why they started the war on 10/7 right? ZRB Jan 2 #41
Is that why they signed treaties with both Sundance1220 Tuesday #42
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