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In reply to the discussion: Huh, that sounds a lot like "from the river to the sea". [View all]AloeVera
(2,130 posts)16. Are you sure about that?
'We Give Them 48 Hours to Leave': Israel's Plans to Transfer Gazans Go Back 60 Years'
Golda Meir: 'There's no other choice: We have to do it, either willingly or by force.'
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-05/ty-article-magazine/.premium/we-give-them-48-hours-to-leave-israels-plans-to-transfer-gazans-go-back-60-years/00000193-9716-dac2-add3-b75e12d30000
https://archive.is/xPiGh
Diluting the population," "evacuating homes," "expulsion," "exile," "emptying" and even "transfer." A broad array of words was used by Israeli government ministers during the historic deliberations in the 1960s and 1970s about the future of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
A perusal of the minutes in the Israel State Archives indicates that the present aspiration of the far right to "encourage emigration" of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip only echoes ideas and proposals that came up for discussion in the past by prime ministers, ministers and leaders in left-wing governments, who were among the country's founding fathers.
The ministers had no shortage of ideas for solving the problem that was laid on their doorstep with the occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in the Six-Day War. At the time there were about one million Palestinians in the territories, about 400,000 of them in the Gaza Strip. There were proposals to send them out of the Gaza Strip to the West Bank, Jordan, Sinai, Arab countries or any other place in the world that could receive them by force, by consent, by subterfuge and with all kinds of incentives.
"If we can evict 300,000 refugees from Gaza to other places we can annex Gaza without a problem," said Defense Minister Moshe Dayan on June 25, 1967. He mentioned an idea that was acceptable at the time to the government, but in the end wasn't fully implemented to annex the Gaza Strip to Israel, to empty it of the Palestinian refugees and then to settle it with Jews.
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"Because of these suffocating conditions and the enclosure there, maybe the Arabs will move from the Strip, but even afterward about 400,000 Arabs will remain here [in Israel] and another 150,000 will remain in Gaza," added Eshkol at the end of the year. The new solution he proposed was harsh. "It's possible that if we don't give them enough water they won't have any choice, because the orchards will turn yellow and wither. But we can't know all that ahead of time. Who knows, maybe we can expect another war and then this problem will be solved, but that's a kind of luxury, an unexpected solution," he said.
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The term "force" also began to be used later in the discussion. Religious Affairs Minister Warhaftig told Meir: "It would be better to use force if there's a need for force, but only in the midst of a major commotion." He explained that there was a need to wait for a deterioration or a war to forcibly expel people from their homes
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A perusal of the minutes in the Israel State Archives indicates that the present aspiration of the far right to "encourage emigration" of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip only echoes ideas and proposals that came up for discussion in the past by prime ministers, ministers and leaders in left-wing governments, who were among the country's founding fathers.
The ministers had no shortage of ideas for solving the problem that was laid on their doorstep with the occupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in the Six-Day War. At the time there were about one million Palestinians in the territories, about 400,000 of them in the Gaza Strip. There were proposals to send them out of the Gaza Strip to the West Bank, Jordan, Sinai, Arab countries or any other place in the world that could receive them by force, by consent, by subterfuge and with all kinds of incentives.
"If we can evict 300,000 refugees from Gaza to other places we can annex Gaza without a problem," said Defense Minister Moshe Dayan on June 25, 1967. He mentioned an idea that was acceptable at the time to the government, but in the end wasn't fully implemented to annex the Gaza Strip to Israel, to empty it of the Palestinian refugees and then to settle it with Jews.
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"Because of these suffocating conditions and the enclosure there, maybe the Arabs will move from the Strip, but even afterward about 400,000 Arabs will remain here [in Israel] and another 150,000 will remain in Gaza," added Eshkol at the end of the year. The new solution he proposed was harsh. "It's possible that if we don't give them enough water they won't have any choice, because the orchards will turn yellow and wither. But we can't know all that ahead of time. Who knows, maybe we can expect another war and then this problem will be solved, but that's a kind of luxury, an unexpected solution," he said.
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The term "force" also began to be used later in the discussion. Religious Affairs Minister Warhaftig told Meir: "It would be better to use force if there's a need for force, but only in the midst of a major commotion." He explained that there was a need to wait for a deterioration or a war to forcibly expel people from their homes
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Bolding mine.
People deny it, but Zionism has always- from its inception - been about forcing the natives out to make room for Greater Israel, the Land of Israel, only for Jews. Look up some of the statements by its founding fathers.
The subterfuge, gaslighting and (self)-deception required to deny this must be exhausting. Israelis and supporters must be very tired by now.
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You should just be able to agree that it is a horrible argument without having to turn around and attack someone else.
Eko
Dec 28
#9
You didn't make much of a case, and one extremely tenuous claim does not comprise "reasons".
lapucelle
Dec 29
#11
Well I will bow to you as to the exact time frame I was talking about when I did not give an exact time frame.
Eko
Dec 29
#37
Yes, I'm sure about it. "Someone said something half a century ago" is not convincing evidence
lapucelle
Dec 29
#17
I think you can be against the smuggling of arms to a terrorist origination which was why the area was cleared
Eko
Dec 29
#38