Israel can't depend on anyone. Just look at UNIFIL's failure to restrain and disarm Hezbollah in Lebanon. Complete failure that is costing people their lives. At a certain point Israel must ignore the clown show that is the media and just protect it's citizens.

In the name of security people will do a lot.

And for West Bank Palestinians to eventually be driven into Jordan.

Neither will Jordan.

They burned all their bridges.

Most countries wouldn't take the Jewish people from Europe either hence the creation of the Jewish state in the first place.

I gave reasons as to why it was my opinion it was a horrible argument and you agreed. You can do the same to them.

The fact Egypt and Jordan are unwilling to take in Palestinians is nothing like the situation with Jews at the end of WWII. Both countries fear that the remnants of Hamas will destabilize their own countries and drag them into a war with Israel if Hamas reestablishes and starts launching attacks from within their borders (see Lebanon).

No country unwilling to take Jewish refugees at the end of WWII was concerned that they would get dragged into further wars due to Jewish terrorist attacks against other countries from within their borders.

As for any argument that Palestinians emigrating from Gaza and the West Bank into Egypt and Jordan was "always Israel's plan", that's patently ridiculous. Neither country has been willing to take in Palestinians for many years, and it certainly wasn't anyone's "plan" on October 6, 2023.

One can easily say that the reason Arab countries wont take in Palestinians is indeed because of the fear of Hamas or other terrorist groups increasing in strength in their countries and destabilizing them. One could also say that the reason for the countries not taking in Jews was because of racism that included threats to national security just like the Arab countries of now.

That's not post WWII.

You did. My argument that you are discussing had no mention of post WW2 so I'm not sure what your point is.

So,,,, what?

Dates to 1941.

Got it.

"Most countries wouldn't take the Jewish people from Europe either hence the creation of the Jewish state in the first place."
I gave a reason for the creation of the Jewish state. Reasons can predate actions.

Your mind-reading abilities are astonishing.

'We Give Them 48 Hours to Leave': Israel's Plans to Transfer Gazans Go Back 60 Years'

Golda Meir: 'There's no other choice: We have to do it, either willingly or by force.'

that either Egypt or Jordan are willing to take refugees from Gaza and the West Bank.

Same movie, different cast.

Same director and script.

And Egypt’s demolition of Palestinian homes to expand the buffer zone.

(On the Egypt side btw,) and also be against forcibly moving an entire population that the far majority of which are not terrorists.

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"No country unwilling to take Jewish refugees at the end of WWII was concerned that they would get dragged into further wars due to Jewish terrorist..."

Are you kidding? What about all those Arab nations in the Middle East where Israel was carved out of, and the subsequent war that happened...and is still happening after 75 years?

Wonder what it will be?

on January 20 we will have an administration and an ambassador to Israel who will, indeed, pursue a single state solution.

I don't think it will be the single state solution that Rashida Tlaib was hoping for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/michigan-candidate-of-palestinian-heritage-rejects-2-state-solution/

He has a lot of responsibility for the security failure on 10/6.

The idea of annexing the OTs is wishful thinking promoted by a small minority of Israelis, but the IDF will maintain a presence on the northern border of Gaza and the philidelphi corridor, and continue to provide support when possible to the PA in the WB.

......yeah ........a small minority of Israelis that hold power over Bibi this government and all of us :

The Annexation Moves Hidden in the Arrangements Law
14.11.24

https://peacenow.org.il/en/the-annexation-moves-hidden-in-the-arrangements-law

Marching in the streets does nothing.

The jokes not on me.....

that which we call The Wild West Bank the OT's now ........wasnt that long ago you were calling the
OT's Judea and Samaria ........and defending Bibi to the hilt as if he had done no wrong .

Whatever Mosby

You have an alternative to marching in the streets to defend our Democracy ???????????????????

There are those here that do ........and trust me on this , neither of us want that .

the Two State Solution is over .......and it will never be what Rashida Tlaib was hoping for.

realize that the Palestinians were effectively killing coed out of Jordan because of the PLO and black September.

History here seems slanted by some only when it supports their bias.

Of course I'm not serious.

It's the Likud Charter manifesting:

"Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

So one is genocidal, but the other isn't. Got it. What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

When it comes to I/P, I've learned that the goose always gets cooked while the gander prances around his expanded territory while stepping over the dead goslings.

Yikes.

And yet...

Thank you for confirming what is manifestly clear.

Why - I saw this same movie twice just yesterday! What a coincidence.

It's when I know they can't argue the facts.

It was a Likud PM who pulled out of Gaza (Sharon, 2005), it was a Likud PM who made the most generous offer to date (Olmert, 2008).

Actions say a lot more than just words.

Lapucelle will be along to correct my bad French any minute.

Actions say a lot more than words? Couldn't have said it better myself.

and Olmert was leader of the Kadima party when he was elected as PM .

Strange how you bring him up when it suits you, .....considering how you were defaming him not
so long ago on his stance against this governments policy in Gaza .

go to the UN and tell them the following
"we need an armed peacekeeping force in the WB and Gaza. We are going to pull out completely from those areas. Jerusalem will remain status quo. We will not pull out until that peacekeeping force is in place. If any new attacks come from those areas, the UN peacekeeping force will be at blame for not doing their jobs. Their job will be to disarm any groups other than from the elected government of the Palestinian people. Failure to do so will be 100% on their shoulders. They have to put in writing that they will accept this blame, and apologize to Israel for any attacks that happen. Israel on its part will negotiate with the elected government of the Palestinian people for a permanent peace treaty in which each side recognizes the other's right to exist as a nation.
The settlers in what is the WB, can remain, but they will no longer be under Israel protection. The UN peacekeeping force will be expected to disarm them as well. Those settlers living there, will be given Palestinian citizenship, will full, and equal rights.
The UN will also oversee free, and independent elections in Gaza and the WB for a new government/parliament."

I know this is highly unlikely to happen, but it is a dream.

Its never going to happen .

it was a dream.

Israel doesn't want peace with anyone.
Not now, not yesterday, not tomorrow.

Oh wait, that was Hamas.

Egypt and Jordan? Because they don't want peace? Those treaties also came with giving back HUGE chunks of land (Sinai was larger than all of Israel). And tell us how those peaceful Palestinians leaders - otherwise known as hamas - are all about peace.