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"Responsible media do not take the claims of terrorists at face value."
Do responsible governments take the claims of terrorists at face value? Cause Israel does.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-deaths-women-children-e258a4c14641978a00dfb957ce348957
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-officials-15000-likely-killed-in-gaza-since-start-of-war-5000-of-them-are-hamas/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201
So you can claim this is about a single report but when you state such generalities as "claims of terrorists" it becomes a much larger argument from you.
I don't trust Hamas. The numbers from the Health Ministry have been historically accurate though, to claim otherwise is to not know history.
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Of course it won't stop this. But Hamas still needs to release the hostages on humanitarian grounds.
totodeinhere
Jan 2025
#88
A very deadly and stupid dictatorship that is killing their own people by keeping this war going
LymphocyteLover
Jan 2025
#33
The IDF was holding thousands of Palestinians in security detention without trial or hearing before 7 Oct 2023.
C0RI0LANUS
Jan 2025
#3
Why else would the Likud Regime make the Gaza Strip uninhabitable for human life?
C0RI0LANUS
Jan 2025
#6
Shhhhhhhhh. . .that's called logic. Logic doesn't work in the face of dogmatic nonsense.
AZLD4Candidate
Jan 2025
#9
"Israel making Gaza uninhabitable so that they can take it over?" Whose sentence is that?
C0RI0LANUS
Jan 2025
#26
I wonder how many 17 year old children were killed Oct 7. I wonder how many 17 year old children have been killed
AZLD4Candidate
Jan 2025
#8
Your Vatican News link clearly states that the source of the news is "Gaza's Hamas-run Ministry of Health".
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#15
The AP story in your link is dated December 19, 2023. That was a different 17 day old baby.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#30
You helpfully provided a link to the transcript. I downloaded it as a searchable document.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#41
You claimed that the IDF is TARGETING children and used the story as the source for that claim.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#44
Nah. The daily killing is no longer newsworthy most days. But today's headlines are about the 41% death-toll undercount.
AloeVera
Jan 2025
#56
Speculation is not news. Analysis that utilizes social media posts as a factual data set is especially not news.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#60
You didn't read the study. There were three data set sources. None was the "primary" source.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#64
Another generally good policy is to assume people here are telling the truth when they assert something they have done
AloeVera
Jan 2025
#70
Sorry, but using data sets that include self-reported surveys and social media claims are questionable methods at best.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#84
Your attempt misses the mark. My response to to you concerned a single claim.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#75
And those numbers claimed by the health ministry have been historically proven to be accurate.
Eko
Jan 2025
#76
You're arguing with yourself about the reliability Hama's casualty numbers in an effort to deflect.
lapucelle
Jan 2025
#82
Vatican news also has a conservative lean. Anyone quoting the hamas government for numbers gets nothing from m
AZLD4Candidate
Jan 2025
#27
Anyone but a government run by a genocidal terrorist organization. From the river to the sea is a call for genocide
AZLD4Candidate
Jan 2025
#47
does Hamas care that their people's children are dying? Doesn't seem like it
LymphocyteLover
Jan 2025
#35
Neither do these pro hamas protestors. They only care that people in another religion are fighting back because 1200
AZLD4Candidate
Jan 2025
#48
You think the greed-fuelled hypocrisy of Arab tyrants and monarchs is the greatest tragedy here?
AloeVera
Jan 2025
#78
there are always some skeptical assholes but there's no question that Israel has killed many
LymphocyteLover
Jan 2025
#29
Attacking the messenger is a favourite tactic when the news brought makes one uncomfortable.
AloeVera
Jan 2025
#53
They're being banned, for starting at BBC HQ, because (in central London) it's too close to a synagogue
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2025
#62
Some DU-ers post about "pro-Hamas protestors." But what do these so-called "pro-Hamas supporters" look like?
C0RI0LANUS
Jan 2025
#68
Hi AloeVera. You are welcome. Did you see my OP on President Jimmy Carter in the American History Forum?
C0RI0LANUS
Jan 2025
#80