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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]lapucelle
(19,639 posts)66. Yes, your re-reading the article is absolutely a good idea.
You're misreading the data sets. There are two lists compiled from Hamas MOH data: one from Hamas MOH hospital morgue lists and another from a Hamas MOH online survey. The third data set is the social media stuff.
None of the lists was a primary source; the three lists were overlapped.
You may also want to read up on the general uses and inherent limitation of capture-recapture studies.
Capture-Recapture Methods in Epidemiological Studies
Abstract
Medical researchers often are faced with the challenge of estimating the total number of cases in a population based on incomplete samples. Because of a lack of explicit methods for determining if all cases have been counted, indirect methods for estimating the abundance of disease have been developed. Capture-recapture models are an indirect method of estimating population sizes that have been employed in recent epidemiological studies. These methods, derived from techniques developed for studies of animal abundance, estimate the true population size by evaluating the degree of overlap among incomplete lists of cases from existing data sources.
Although intuitively appealing, the successful application of these methods is dependent upon a clear understanding of the biology of the disorder involved, the dynamics of the reference population, and the assumptions and robustness of the specific models used. Failure to address these issues can lead to inaccurate and sometimes misleading results. This article describes some of the strengths and limitations of recapture techniques and provides the reader with a foundation from which to explore the methods in further detail.
Abstract
Medical researchers often are faced with the challenge of estimating the total number of cases in a population based on incomplete samples. Because of a lack of explicit methods for determining if all cases have been counted, indirect methods for estimating the abundance of disease have been developed. Capture-recapture models are an indirect method of estimating population sizes that have been employed in recent epidemiological studies. These methods, derived from techniques developed for studies of animal abundance, estimate the true population size by evaluating the degree of overlap among incomplete lists of cases from existing data sources.
Although intuitively appealing, the successful application of these methods is dependent upon a clear understanding of the biology of the disorder involved, the dynamics of the reference population, and the assumptions and robustness of the specific models used. Failure to address these issues can lead to inaccurate and sometimes misleading results. This article describes some of the strengths and limitations of recapture techniques and provides the reader with a foundation from which to explore the methods in further detail.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/infection-control-and-hospital-epidemiology/article/abs/capturerecapture-methods-in-epidemiological-studies/E9726402FA6A0DFABCE29C1549C0A7C6
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Of course it won't stop this. But Hamas still needs to release the hostages on humanitarian grounds.
totodeinhere
Saturday
#88
A very deadly and stupid dictatorship that is killing their own people by keeping this war going
LymphocyteLover
Thursday
#33
The IDF was holding thousands of Palestinians in security detention without trial or hearing before 7 Oct 2023.
C0RI0LANUS
Thursday
#3
Why else would the Likud Regime make the Gaza Strip uninhabitable for human life?
C0RI0LANUS
Thursday
#6
Shhhhhhhhh. . .that's called logic. Logic doesn't work in the face of dogmatic nonsense.
AZLD4Candidate
Thursday
#9
"Israel making Gaza uninhabitable so that they can take it over?" Whose sentence is that?
C0RI0LANUS
Thursday
#26
I wonder how many 17 year old children were killed Oct 7. I wonder how many 17 year old children have been killed
AZLD4Candidate
Thursday
#8
Your Vatican News link clearly states that the source of the news is "Gaza's Hamas-run Ministry of Health".
lapucelle
Thursday
#15
The AP story in your link is dated December 19, 2023. That was a different 17 day old baby.
lapucelle
Thursday
#30
You helpfully provided a link to the transcript. I downloaded it as a searchable document.
lapucelle
Thursday
#41
You claimed that the IDF is TARGETING children and used the story as the source for that claim.
lapucelle
Thursday
#44
Nah. The daily killing is no longer newsworthy most days. But today's headlines are about the 41% death-toll undercount.
AloeVera
Friday
#56
Speculation is not news. Analysis that utilizes social media posts as a factual data set is especially not news.
lapucelle
Friday
#60
You didn't read the study. There were three data set sources. None was the "primary" source.
lapucelle
Friday
#64
Another generally good policy is to assume people here are telling the truth when they assert something they have done
AloeVera
Friday
#70
Sorry, but using data sets that include self-reported surveys and social media claims are questionable methods at best.
lapucelle
Saturday
#84
And those numbers claimed by the health ministry have been historically proven to be accurate.
Eko
Friday
#76
You're arguing with yourself about the reliability Hama's casualty numbers in an effort to deflect.
lapucelle
Saturday
#82
Vatican news also has a conservative lean. Anyone quoting the hamas government for numbers gets nothing from m
AZLD4Candidate
Thursday
#27
Anyone but a government run by a genocidal terrorist organization. From the river to the sea is a call for genocide
AZLD4Candidate
Friday
#47
does Hamas care that their people's children are dying? Doesn't seem like it
LymphocyteLover
Thursday
#35
Neither do these pro hamas protestors. They only care that people in another religion are fighting back because 1200
AZLD4Candidate
Friday
#48
You think the greed-fuelled hypocrisy of Arab tyrants and monarchs is the greatest tragedy here?
AloeVera
Friday
#78
there are always some skeptical assholes but there's no question that Israel has killed many
LymphocyteLover
Thursday
#29
Attacking the messenger is a favourite tactic when the news brought makes one uncomfortable.
AloeVera
Friday
#53
They're being banned, for starting at BBC HQ, because (in central London) it's too close to a synagogue
muriel_volestrangler
Friday
#62
Some DU-ers post about "pro-Hamas protestors." But what do these so-called "pro-Hamas supporters" look like?
C0RI0LANUS
Friday
#68
Hi AloeVera. You are welcome. Did you see my OP on President Jimmy Carter in the American History Forum?
C0RI0LANUS
Saturday
#80