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AloeVera

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52. You side-eye AP, Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, BBC

Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:22 PM

Jan 2025

And every other major news source?

They all use the Gaza Health Ministry numbers. Who else is there to count deaths but hospitals and morgues?

Israel does not allow Western press to enter Gaza independently. That could have provided some verification.

Yes, the Health Ministry numbers are unreliable, but not in the way you imply. Nearly all of Gaza's hospitals are closed now. So the counting systems are severely degraded. This is what makes the numbers unreliable. There is a vast UNDER count.

A research study came out a few days ago that concluded, baded on evidence, that Gaza's death count is about 40% undercounted (meaning it's actually around 70,000 - not counting indirect deaths from preventable, untreated illness, diseases, starvation, dirty water, hypothermia etc). It also calculated that women, children and the elderly comprised 59% of those killed.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] endgenocide Jan 2025 OP

Hamas need to release the hostages. Now. LisaM Jan 2025 #1

You really think that would stop this? hahahaha Klarkashton Jan 2025 #77

Of course it won't stop this. But Hamas still needs to release the hostages on humanitarian grounds. totodeinhere Jan 2025 #88

That baby shouldn't have voted for hamas 18 years ago... ExciteBike66 Jan 2025 #2

I didn't realize that it has been so long without elections. Dumpy Jan 2025 #11

A very deadly and stupid dictatorship that is killing their own people by keeping this war going LymphocyteLover Jan 2025 #33

The IDF was holding thousands of Palestinians in security detention without trial or hearing before 7 Oct 2023. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #3

Bibi doesn't want the prisoners released endgenocide Jan 2025 #4

Wow. I've heard some. . . AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #5

Yeah, this one is.............................. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #18

Per Bibi's administration's announced intentions snot Jan 2025 #55

Why else would the Likud Regime make the Gaza Strip uninhabitable for human life? C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #6

So they are making it uninhabitable for human life... ZRB Jan 2025 #7

Shhhhhhhhh. . .that's called logic. Logic doesn't work in the face of dogmatic nonsense. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #9

Israel making Gaza uninhabitable so that they can take it over? MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #24

"Israel making Gaza uninhabitable so that they can take it over?" Whose sentence is that? C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #26

Give peace a chance, Israel. Rid yourself of warmonger Netanyahu. brush Jan 2025 #38

How are you, brush? I agree with you 100%. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #43

We're on the same page, C0RI0LANUS. I also read your previous OP... brush Jan 2025 #45

... C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #46

I wonder how many 17 year old children were killed Oct 7. I wonder how many 17 year old children have been killed AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #8

It was a 17 day old child endgenocide Jan 2025 #12

Your Vatican News link clearly states that the source of the news is "Gaza's Hamas-run Ministry of Health". lapucelle Jan 2025 #15

AP is a reputable news organization iemanja Jan 2025 #23

The AP story in your link is dated December 19, 2023. That was a different 17 day old baby. lapucelle Jan 2025 #30

You clearly didn't watch the Sunday Morning broadcast iemanja Jan 2025 #36

You helpfully provided a link to the transcript. I downloaded it as a searchable document. lapucelle Jan 2025 #41

Again, you didn't read it iemanja Jan 2025 #42

You claimed that the IDF is TARGETING children and used the story as the source for that claim. lapucelle Jan 2025 #44

At least 74 children killed in the first 7 days of the year. AloeVera Jan 2025 #51

Responsible media do not take the claims of terrorists at face value. lapucelle Jan 2025 #54

Nah. The daily killing is no longer newsworthy most days. But today's headlines are about the 41% death-toll undercount. AloeVera Jan 2025 #56

Speculation is not news. Analysis that utilizes social media posts as a factual data set is especially not news. lapucelle Jan 2025 #60

Of course not. AloeVera Jan 2025 #61

You didn't read the study. There were three data set sources. None was the "primary" source. lapucelle Jan 2025 #64

I told you I read it a couple of days ago! AloeVera Jan 2025 #65

It's generally good policy not to assert as factual what one is not sure of. lapucelle Jan 2025 #67

Another generally good policy is to assume people here are telling the truth when they assert something they have done AloeVera Jan 2025 #70

Yes, your re-reading the article is absolutely a good idea. lapucelle Jan 2025 #66

Ok thank you. AloeVera Jan 2025 #69

Sorry, but using data sets that include self-reported surveys and social media claims are questionable methods at best. lapucelle Jan 2025 #84

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The Israelis government even Eko Jan 2025 #58

Sorry, "Look over there!" does not work on me. lapucelle Jan 2025 #59

Ok. Eko Jan 2025 #74

Your attempt misses the mark. My response to to you concerned a single claim. lapucelle Jan 2025 #75

And those numbers claimed by the health ministry have been historically proven to be accurate. Eko Jan 2025 #76

You're arguing with yourself about the reliability Hama's casualty numbers in an effort to deflect. lapucelle Jan 2025 #82

You keep saying that but your first post on here belies that claim. Eko Jan 2025 #90

... lapucelle Jan 2025 #91

Your argument is you cant trust the Health Ministries numbers. Eko Jan 2025 #94

What organization would you accept it being verified by? Eko Jan 2025 #57

Vatican news also has a conservative lean. Anyone quoting the hamas government for numbers gets nothing from m AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #27

Who would you trust to count endgenocide Jan 2025 #40

Anyone but a government run by a genocidal terrorist organization. From the river to the sea is a call for genocide AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #47

OK so who specifically? endgenocide Jan 2025 #49

You side-eye AP, Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, BBC AloeVera Jan 2025 #52

Wow!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #19

Maybe they've been reading threads iemanja Jan 2025 #22

attacking the messenger is normal when your sources are hamas. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #28

does Hamas care that their people's children are dying? Doesn't seem like it LymphocyteLover Jan 2025 #35

Neither do these pro hamas protestors. They only care that people in another religion are fighting back because 1200 AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #48

that is truly the great tragedy of this awful war. LymphocyteLover Jan 2025 #50

You think the greed-fuelled hypocrisy of Arab tyrants and monarchs is the greatest tragedy here? AloeVera Jan 2025 #78

We have 17 year old Southern_gent Jan 2025 #85

17 day old iemanja Jan 2025 #14

That no one bats an eye for the deaths of iemanja Jan 2025 #16

I have noticed a recurring phenomenon sarisataka Jan 2025 #10

When? iemanja Jan 2025 #17

It began October 7 (October 6 on DU time) sarisataka Jan 2025 #25

there are always some skeptical assholes but there's no question that Israel has killed many LymphocyteLover Jan 2025 #29

I wasn't aware of that iemanja Jan 2025 #31

I have been trying to make DU aware of genocides before October 7 sarisataka Jan 2025 #34

I appreciate the few threads that I've seen on the Sudan iemanja Jan 2025 #39

Attacking the messenger is a favourite tactic when the news brought makes one uncomfortable. AloeVera Jan 2025 #53

And worse, a good number actually justified what happened on Oct 7th JohnSJ Jan 2025 #89

Noticed that also. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Jan 2025 #13

So where are the protests? Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #21

It's not in fashion JustAnotherGen Jan 2025 #32

The goal has been achieved sarisataka Jan 2025 #37

They're being banned, for starting at BBC HQ, because (in central London) it's too close to a synagogue muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #62

Most people don't know endgenocide Jan 2025 #72

Some DU-ers post about "pro-Hamas protestors." But what do these so-called "pro-Hamas supporters" look like? C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #68

Great post. Thank you. AloeVera Jan 2025 #71

Hi AloeVera. You are welcome. Did you see my OP on President Jimmy Carter in the American History Forum? C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #80

20 years ago the same crowd called us "pro Saddam" RandiFan1290 Jan 2025 #83

Hi RandiFan1290: 150 years ago we were called "Indian lovers;" 60 years ago we were called "VC lovers." C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #86

Yup. Eko Jan 2025 #92

End Fucking Hamas. Cha Jan 2025 #73

A baby born on Christmas killed after only 17 days n/t Pachamama Jan 2025 #79

Too bad most Muslim Americans refused to vote for Harris. Too bad that JohnSJ Jan 2025 #87

Yup its too bad, so Israel get to just keep killing. Too bad. Eko Jan 2025 #93