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52. You side-eye AP, Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, BBC

Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:22 PM

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And every other major news source?

They all use the Gaza Health Ministry numbers. Who else is there to count deaths but hospitals and morgues?

Israel does not allow Western press to enter Gaza independently. That could have provided some verification.

Yes, the Health Ministry numbers are unreliable, but not in the way you imply. Nearly all of Gaza's hospitals are closed now. So the counting systems are severely degraded. This is what makes the numbers unreliable. There is a vast UNDER count.

A research study came out a few days ago that concluded, baded on evidence, that Gaza's death count is about 40% undercounted (meaning it's actually around 70,000 - not counting indirect deaths from preventable, untreated illness, diseases, starvation, dirty water, hypothermia etc). It also calculated that women, children and the elderly comprised 59% of those killed.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] endgenocide Thursday OP

Hamas need to release the hostages. Now. LisaM Thursday #1

You really think that would stop this? hahahaha Klarkashton Friday #77

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A very deadly and stupid dictatorship that is killing their own people by keeping this war going LymphocyteLover Thursday #33

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Bibi doesn't want the prisoners released endgenocide Thursday #4

Wow. I've heard some. . . AZLD4Candidate Thursday #5

Yeah, this one is.............................. MarineCombatEngineer Thursday #18

Per Bibi's administration's announced intentions snot Friday #55

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So they are making it uninhabitable for human life... ZRB Thursday #7

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Israel making Gaza uninhabitable so that they can take it over? MarineCombatEngineer Thursday #24

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Give peace a chance, Israel. Rid yourself of warmonger Netanyahu. brush Thursday #38

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We're on the same page, C0RI0LANUS. I also read your previous OP... brush Thursday #45

... C0RI0LANUS Thursday #46

I wonder how many 17 year old children were killed Oct 7. I wonder how many 17 year old children have been killed AZLD4Candidate Thursday #8

It was a 17 day old child endgenocide Thursday #12

Your Vatican News link clearly states that the source of the news is "Gaza's Hamas-run Ministry of Health". lapucelle Thursday #15

AP is a reputable news organization iemanja Thursday #23

The AP story in your link is dated December 19, 2023. That was a different 17 day old baby. lapucelle Thursday #30

You clearly didn't watch the Sunday Morning broadcast iemanja Thursday #36

You helpfully provided a link to the transcript. I downloaded it as a searchable document. lapucelle Thursday #41

Again, you didn't read it iemanja Thursday #42

You claimed that the IDF is TARGETING children and used the story as the source for that claim. lapucelle Thursday #44

At least 74 children killed in the first 7 days of the year. AloeVera Friday #51

Responsible media do not take the claims of terrorists at face value. lapucelle Friday #54

Nah. The daily killing is no longer newsworthy most days. But today's headlines are about the 41% death-toll undercount. AloeVera Friday #56

Speculation is not news. Analysis that utilizes social media posts as a factual data set is especially not news. lapucelle Friday #60

Of course not. AloeVera Friday #61

You didn't read the study. There were three data set sources. None was the "primary" source. lapucelle Friday #64

I told you I read it a couple of days ago! AloeVera Friday #65

It's generally good policy not to assert as factual what one is not sure of. lapucelle Friday #67

Another generally good policy is to assume people here are telling the truth when they assert something they have done AloeVera Friday #70

Yes, your re-reading the article is absolutely a good idea. lapucelle Friday #66

Ok thank you. AloeVera Friday #69

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The Israelis government even Eko Friday #58

Sorry, "Look over there!" does not work on me. lapucelle Friday #59

Ok. Eko Friday #74

Your attempt misses the mark. My response to to you concerned a single claim. lapucelle Friday #75

And those numbers claimed by the health ministry have been historically proven to be accurate. Eko Friday #76

You're arguing with yourself about the reliability Hama's casualty numbers in an effort to deflect. lapucelle Saturday #82

You keep saying that but your first post on here belies that claim. Eko Saturday #90

... lapucelle Saturday #91

Your argument is you cant trust the Health Ministries numbers. Eko Saturday #94

What organization would you accept it being verified by? Eko Friday #57

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Who would you trust to count endgenocide Thursday #40

Anyone but a government run by a genocidal terrorist organization. From the river to the sea is a call for genocide AZLD4Candidate Friday #47

OK so who specifically? endgenocide Friday #49

You side-eye AP, Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, BBC AloeVera Friday #52

Wow!!! MarineCombatEngineer Thursday #19

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attacking the messenger is normal when your sources are hamas. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #28

does Hamas care that their people's children are dying? Doesn't seem like it LymphocyteLover Thursday #35

Neither do these pro hamas protestors. They only care that people in another religion are fighting back because 1200 AZLD4Candidate Friday #48

that is truly the great tragedy of this awful war. LymphocyteLover Friday #50

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17 day old iemanja Thursday #14

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And worse, a good number actually justified what happened on Oct 7th JohnSJ Saturday #89

Noticed that also. MarineCombatEngineer Thursday #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Thursday #13

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The goal has been achieved sarisataka Thursday #37

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Great post. Thank you. AloeVera Friday #71

Hi AloeVera. You are welcome. Did you see my OP on President Jimmy Carter in the American History Forum? C0RI0LANUS Saturday #80

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