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39. I appreciate the few threads that I've seen on the Sudan

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:56 PM

Jan 9

BlueTires posted an informative one the other day. I had not seen yours. BlueTires thread got more attention. I don't know why the two threads should differ in that. I have observed that DUers tend to focus most (almost exclusively) to what is on their TV sets. I find that unfortunate, and the lack of attention to the horrors in Sudan is one of those overlooked topics.

The numbers of terrorist fighters is a problem. As you noted, the Health Ministry does not differentiate those deaths. Israel falsely claims that half of those killed are Hamas militants. That is obviously false given the large numbers of women and children killed. The thing about the Gaza Health Ministry numbers is that they are consistent and don't rise as quickly as one would think if they were trying to embellish. The UN has used those same numbers. I am not among those who assail the UN as antisemitic because that means the entire world would be antisemitic, which I don't believe. This is not to say antisemitism isn't a global problem because it clearly is, and so is Islamophobia.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] endgenocide Jan 9 OP

Hamas need to release the hostages. Now. LisaM Jan 9 #1

You really think that would stop this? hahahaha Klarkashton Jan 10 #77

Of course it won't stop this. But Hamas still needs to release the hostages on humanitarian grounds. totodeinhere Jan 11 #88

That baby shouldn't have voted for hamas 18 years ago... ExciteBike66 Jan 9 #2

I didn't realize that it has been so long without elections. Dumpy Jan 9 #11

A very deadly and stupid dictatorship that is killing their own people by keeping this war going LymphocyteLover Jan 9 #33

The IDF was holding thousands of Palestinians in security detention without trial or hearing before 7 Oct 2023. C0RI0LANUS Jan 9 #3

Bibi doesn't want the prisoners released endgenocide Jan 9 #4

Wow. I've heard some. . . AZLD4Candidate Jan 9 #5

Yeah, this one is.............................. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 9 #18

Per Bibi's administration's announced intentions snot Jan 10 #55

Why else would the Likud Regime make the Gaza Strip uninhabitable for human life? C0RI0LANUS Jan 9 #6

So they are making it uninhabitable for human life... ZRB Jan 9 #7

Shhhhhhhhh. . .that's called logic. Logic doesn't work in the face of dogmatic nonsense. AZLD4Candidate Jan 9 #9

Israel making Gaza uninhabitable so that they can take it over? MarineCombatEngineer Jan 9 #24

"Israel making Gaza uninhabitable so that they can take it over?" Whose sentence is that? C0RI0LANUS Jan 9 #26

Give peace a chance, Israel. Rid yourself of warmonger Netanyahu. brush Jan 9 #38

How are you, brush? I agree with you 100%. C0RI0LANUS Jan 9 #43

We're on the same page, C0RI0LANUS. I also read your previous OP... brush Jan 9 #45

... C0RI0LANUS Jan 9 #46

I wonder how many 17 year old children were killed Oct 7. I wonder how many 17 year old children have been killed AZLD4Candidate Jan 9 #8

It was a 17 day old child endgenocide Jan 9 #12

Your Vatican News link clearly states that the source of the news is "Gaza's Hamas-run Ministry of Health". lapucelle Jan 9 #15

AP is a reputable news organization iemanja Jan 9 #23

The AP story in your link is dated December 19, 2023. That was a different 17 day old baby. lapucelle Jan 9 #30

You clearly didn't watch the Sunday Morning broadcast iemanja Jan 9 #36

You helpfully provided a link to the transcript. I downloaded it as a searchable document. lapucelle Jan 9 #41

Again, you didn't read it iemanja Jan 9 #42

You claimed that the IDF is TARGETING children and used the story as the source for that claim. lapucelle Jan 9 #44

At least 74 children killed in the first 7 days of the year. AloeVera Jan 10 #51

Responsible media do not take the claims of terrorists at face value. lapucelle Jan 10 #54

Nah. The daily killing is no longer newsworthy most days. But today's headlines are about the 41% death-toll undercount. AloeVera Jan 10 #56

Speculation is not news. Analysis that utilizes social media posts as a factual data set is especially not news. lapucelle Jan 10 #60

Of course not. AloeVera Jan 10 #61

You didn't read the study. There were three data set sources. None was the "primary" source. lapucelle Jan 10 #64

I told you I read it a couple of days ago! AloeVera Jan 10 #65

It's generally good policy not to assert as factual what one is not sure of. lapucelle Jan 10 #67

Another generally good policy is to assume people here are telling the truth when they assert something they have done AloeVera Jan 10 #70

Yes, your re-reading the article is absolutely a good idea. lapucelle Jan 10 #66

Ok thank you. AloeVera Jan 10 #69

Sorry, but using data sets that include self-reported surveys and social media claims are questionable methods at best. lapucelle Jan 11 #84

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The Israelis government even Eko Jan 10 #58

Sorry, "Look over there!" does not work on me. lapucelle Jan 10 #59

Ok. Eko Jan 10 #74

Your attempt misses the mark. My response to to you concerned a single claim. lapucelle Jan 10 #75

And those numbers claimed by the health ministry have been historically proven to be accurate. Eko Jan 10 #76

You're arguing with yourself about the reliability Hama's casualty numbers in an effort to deflect. lapucelle Jan 11 #82

You keep saying that but your first post on here belies that claim. Eko Jan 11 #90

... lapucelle Jan 11 #91

Your argument is you cant trust the Health Ministries numbers. Eko Jan 11 #94

What organization would you accept it being verified by? Eko Jan 10 #57

Vatican news also has a conservative lean. Anyone quoting the hamas government for numbers gets nothing from m AZLD4Candidate Jan 9 #27

Who would you trust to count endgenocide Jan 9 #40

Anyone but a government run by a genocidal terrorist organization. From the river to the sea is a call for genocide AZLD4Candidate Jan 10 #47

OK so who specifically? endgenocide Jan 10 #49

You side-eye AP, Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, BBC AloeVera Jan 10 #52

Wow!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jan 9 #19

Maybe they've been reading threads iemanja Jan 9 #22

attacking the messenger is normal when your sources are hamas. AZLD4Candidate Jan 9 #28

does Hamas care that their people's children are dying? Doesn't seem like it LymphocyteLover Jan 9 #35

Neither do these pro hamas protestors. They only care that people in another religion are fighting back because 1200 AZLD4Candidate Jan 10 #48

that is truly the great tragedy of this awful war. LymphocyteLover Jan 10 #50

You think the greed-fuelled hypocrisy of Arab tyrants and monarchs is the greatest tragedy here? AloeVera Jan 10 #78

We have 17 year old Southern_gent Jan 11 #85

17 day old iemanja Jan 9 #14

That no one bats an eye for the deaths of iemanja Jan 9 #16

I have noticed a recurring phenomenon sarisataka Jan 9 #10

When? iemanja Jan 9 #17

It began October 7 (October 6 on DU time) sarisataka Jan 9 #25

there are always some skeptical assholes but there's no question that Israel has killed many LymphocyteLover Jan 9 #29

I wasn't aware of that iemanja Jan 9 #31

I have been trying to make DU aware of genocides before October 7 sarisataka Jan 9 #34

I appreciate the few threads that I've seen on the Sudan iemanja Jan 9 #39

Attacking the messenger is a favourite tactic when the news brought makes one uncomfortable. AloeVera Jan 10 #53

And worse, a good number actually justified what happened on Oct 7th JohnSJ Jan 11 #89

Noticed that also. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 9 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Jan 9 #13

So where are the protests? Blue_Tires Jan 9 #21

It's not in fashion JustAnotherGen Jan 9 #32

The goal has been achieved sarisataka Jan 9 #37

They're being banned, for starting at BBC HQ, because (in central London) it's too close to a synagogue muriel_volestrangler Jan 10 #62

Most people don't know endgenocide Jan 10 #72

Some DU-ers post about "pro-Hamas protestors." But what do these so-called "pro-Hamas supporters" look like? C0RI0LANUS Jan 10 #68

Great post. Thank you. AloeVera Jan 10 #71

Hi AloeVera. You are welcome. Did you see my OP on President Jimmy Carter in the American History Forum? C0RI0LANUS Jan 11 #80

20 years ago the same crowd called us "pro Saddam" RandiFan1290 Jan 11 #83

Hi RandiFan1290: 150 years ago we were called "Indian lovers;" 60 years ago we were called "VC lovers." C0RI0LANUS Jan 11 #86

Yup. Eko Jan 11 #92

End Fucking Hamas. Cha Jan 10 #73

A baby born on Christmas killed after only 17 days n/t Pachamama Jan 11 #79

Too bad most Muslim Americans refused to vote for Harris. Too bad that JohnSJ Jan 11 #87

Yup its too bad, so Israel get to just keep killing. Too bad. Eko Jan 11 #93