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Cirsium

(1,154 posts)
42. L'tat, c'est moi
Sun Dec 22, 2024, 03:11 PM
Sunday

"If you're rooting against the president, you are rooting against the nation." Fetterman

Trump = the country?

"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

An hour into the Senate trial of Donald John Trump on Wednesday, the emeritus Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz came to the floor to answer a question from a former Harvard law student, Senator Ted Cruz, of Texas. In theory, it was a question that went to the heart of the impeachment case against Trump, about the President’s imposition of a quid pro quo on military aid to Ukraine and whether his motivations mattered. Dershowitz had something larger and more profound to say, however: Donald Trump has the power to do just about anything he wants to do, and there’s nothing that the U.S. Senate can or should do about it.

For more than a week, House managers prosecuting the impeachment case against Trump have argued that the Senate’s failure to convict him would make Trump an unaccountable leader; in effect, a dictator or a king. When Dershowitz spoke, it was as if he completely agreed with them. Two days earlier, Dershowitz had told senators that Presidential “abuse of power” should not be considered an impeachable offense under the Constitution. On Wednesday, he took that further—much further. “If a President does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment,” he argued. Dershowitz was offering Trump—and all future Presidents—a free pass. His argument seemed unbelievable: as long as the President thinks his reëlection will benefit the country, he can do anything in pursuit of it without fear of impeachment. Really?

Trump has already said that he considers himself empowered by Article II of the Constitution “to do whatever I want.” Video of this extraordinary moment has been played, repeatedly, by House managers in the trial. They clearly saw it as a damning statement made by a power-grabbing President—and then the President’s counsel, in effect, endorsed Trump’s power grab on the floor of the Senate. So long as Trump believes himself to be acting in the national interest, Dershowitz said, he can do whatever he wants. If the past three years have taught us anything, it is that Trump is a President who is comfortable conflating his own interest with the national interest. L’état, c’est Trump.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/alan-dershowitz-for-the-defense-letat-cest-trump


The attitude of [iL’état, c’est moi], which Trump inherited from France’s Louis XIV, along with a passion for ostentatious gold furnishings, is one of the many assaults on democratic norms that we have grown accustomed to during the past twenty-four months. Trump has “called for the persecution of his political enemies and the protection of his allies,” David Leonhardt, of the Times, wrote in a recent piece calling for Trump’s impeachment. “He has attempted to obstruct justice. He has tried to shake the public’s confidence in one democratic institution after another, including the press, federal law enforcement and the federal judiciary.” Yoni Appelbaum, of The Atlantic, filled out the rap sheet: “He has failed to disclose or divest himself from his extensive financial interests, instead using the platform of the presidency to promote them. . . . He pledged to ban entry into the United States on the basis of religion, and did his best to follow through. . . . He has assailed black protestors. . . . He has falsely alleged that America’s electoral system is subject to massive fraud, impugning election results with which he disagrees as irredeemably tainted. . . . These actions are, in sum, an attack on the very foundations of America’s constitutional democracy.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/at-halftime-of-the-trump-presidency-the-resistance-is-winning

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In a way he's right Turbineguy Sunday #1
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Exactly. I have thought the same. Irish_Dem Sunday #7
Ableism Much? NT Southern_gent Yesterday #58
He's clearly keeping an open mind before the guy is sworn in. Which isn't necessarily bad. ificandream Sunday #47
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Patriots Support Representative Democracy. Fascists Support Fascists. MayReasonRule Sunday #3
current line of succession..... I agree IA8IT Sunday #5
Loose a manchin gain a fetterman Fullduplexxx Sunday #6
He does give off that Manchin/Sinema vibe, but like others have said, time will tell. padah513 Sunday #14
With this statement of his, I'd say 'time's up'. Think. Again. Sunday #28
Spot on. C0RI0LANUS Sunday #21
I don't want him to fail nowforever Sunday #8
Knowing what trump's intentions are, yes, I want him to fail. Think. Again. Sunday #29
I don't think he's rooting. ificandream Sunday #48
Yeah, whatever Lulu KC Sunday #9
Trump failing means the democracy endures. House of Roberts Sunday #10
I guess he goes by LisaL Sunday #11
So we noticed, Fetterman. You asshole. (nt) Paladin Sunday #12
The proper regional term is "Jagoff." n/t malthaussen Sunday #19
Thanks for the info. Paladin Sunday #22
Enjoy your single term in the senate. Fiendish Thingy Sunday #13
Considering his state voted for Trump (again)... regnaD kciN Sunday #44
Not if Shapiro beats him in the primary Fiendish Thingy Sunday #49
It isn't a question of rooting or not rooting for him, the problem is his actions before assuming the office JohnSJ Sunday #15
I feel sad that I don't understand him any more. Hope22 Sunday #16
Thanks for your input, Vidkun. n/t malthaussen Sunday #17
It sounds to me like Sen. Fetterman is putting "country" ahead of "party" FakeNoose Sunday #18
He wants to live in a country dominated by a "successful" fascist? Think. Again. Sunday #31
I'm curious which of Trump's efforts it is that Fetterman wants Trump to succeed at... SunSeeker Sunday #20
I Know.. TY! Cha Monday #53
I think this is largely misinterpreted stopdiggin Sunday #23
Fetterman says we need to chill out and "pace ourselves" because Trump hasn't taken office yet.... SunSeeker Sunday #43
the freakouts are commonplace stopdiggin Monday #51
Being worried that Repubs will kill Social Security is not "unwarranted." Why defend Trump? SunSeeker Monday #52
We would disagree - on both points. stopdiggin Monday #54
You can "disagree" with a fact, but it is still a fact. The GOP has been trying to kill Social Security for years. SunSeeker Yesterday #57
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He is right, people don't understand the word fascist but they should know the word Nazi MacKasey Sunday #24
If fetterman was thinking that, fetterman should have said that. Think. Again. Sunday #35
Yes, we need to pick our battles. Linda ladeewolf Sunday #25
Have a sticker with Biden face saying I did that, Just like they did with the stickers on gas pumps MacKasey Sunday #30
Oh, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny... GiqueCee Sunday #26
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While I agree that people need to refrain from the full body freak out over every little thing RockRaven Sunday #32
Fetterman? uncledad Sunday #33
"Trump said, without proof, that Fetterman is abusing hard drugs." sop Sunday #34
Well said Bread and Circuses Sunday #39
Maybe Trump was right in that particular case... regnaD kciN Sunday #45
Is Fetterman The New Manchin?......nt global1 Sunday #36
Manchin in a hoodie uncledad Sunday #38
Fetterman needs to realize... LudwigPastorius Sunday #37
OK Fetterman, boonecreek Sunday #40
Fetterman must have fallen on his head again NotHardly Sunday #41
L'tat, c'est moi Cirsium Sunday #42
Clearly Fetterman is not "for the nation" Pris Sunday #46
I am... strongly Meowmee Monday #55
And the DNC wants to know why I won't donate more money to them. republianmushroom Yesterday #59
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