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In reply to the discussion: Democratic Sen. Fetterman: 'I'm not rooting against' Trump [View all]Cirsium
(1,154 posts)42. L'tat, c'est moi
"If you're rooting against the president, you are rooting against the nation." Fetterman
Trump = the country?
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon
An hour into the Senate trial of Donald John Trump on Wednesday, the emeritus Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz came to the floor to answer a question from a former Harvard law student, Senator Ted Cruz, of Texas. In theory, it was a question that went to the heart of the impeachment case against Trump, about the Presidents imposition of a quid pro quo on military aid to Ukraine and whether his motivations mattered. Dershowitz had something larger and more profound to say, however: Donald Trump has the power to do just about anything he wants to do, and theres nothing that the U.S. Senate can or should do about it.
For more than a week, House managers prosecuting the impeachment case against Trump have argued that the Senates failure to convict him would make Trump an unaccountable leader; in effect, a dictator or a king. When Dershowitz spoke, it was as if he completely agreed with them. Two days earlier, Dershowitz had told senators that Presidential abuse of power should not be considered an impeachable offense under the Constitution. On Wednesday, he took that furthermuch further. If a President does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment, he argued. Dershowitz was offering Trumpand all future Presidentsa free pass. His argument seemed unbelievable: as long as the President thinks his reëlection will benefit the country, he can do anything in pursuit of it without fear of impeachment. Really?
Trump has already said that he considers himself empowered by Article II of the Constitution to do whatever I want. Video of this extraordinary moment has been played, repeatedly, by House managers in the trial. They clearly saw it as a damning statement made by a power-grabbing Presidentand then the Presidents counsel, in effect, endorsed Trumps power grab on the floor of the Senate. So long as Trump believes himself to be acting in the national interest, Dershowitz said, he can do whatever he wants. If the past three years have taught us anything, it is that Trump is a President who is comfortable conflating his own interest with the national interest. Létat, cest Trump.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/alan-dershowitz-for-the-defense-letat-cest-trump
For more than a week, House managers prosecuting the impeachment case against Trump have argued that the Senates failure to convict him would make Trump an unaccountable leader; in effect, a dictator or a king. When Dershowitz spoke, it was as if he completely agreed with them. Two days earlier, Dershowitz had told senators that Presidential abuse of power should not be considered an impeachable offense under the Constitution. On Wednesday, he took that furthermuch further. If a President does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment, he argued. Dershowitz was offering Trumpand all future Presidentsa free pass. His argument seemed unbelievable: as long as the President thinks his reëlection will benefit the country, he can do anything in pursuit of it without fear of impeachment. Really?
Trump has already said that he considers himself empowered by Article II of the Constitution to do whatever I want. Video of this extraordinary moment has been played, repeatedly, by House managers in the trial. They clearly saw it as a damning statement made by a power-grabbing Presidentand then the Presidents counsel, in effect, endorsed Trumps power grab on the floor of the Senate. So long as Trump believes himself to be acting in the national interest, Dershowitz said, he can do whatever he wants. If the past three years have taught us anything, it is that Trump is a President who is comfortable conflating his own interest with the national interest. Létat, cest Trump.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/alan-dershowitz-for-the-defense-letat-cest-trump
The attitude of [iLétat, cest moi], which Trump inherited from Frances Louis XIV, along with a passion for ostentatious gold furnishings, is one of the many assaults on democratic norms that we have grown accustomed to during the past twenty-four months. Trump has called for the persecution of his political enemies and the protection of his allies, David Leonhardt, of the Times, wrote in a recent piece calling for Trumps impeachment. He has attempted to obstruct justice. He has tried to shake the publics confidence in one democratic institution after another, including the press, federal law enforcement and the federal judiciary. Yoni Appelbaum, of The Atlantic, filled out the rap sheet: He has failed to disclose or divest himself from his extensive financial interests, instead using the platform of the presidency to promote them. . . . He pledged to ban entry into the United States on the basis of religion, and did his best to follow through. . . . He has assailed black protestors. . . . He has falsely alleged that Americas electoral system is subject to massive fraud, impugning election results with which he disagrees as irredeemably tainted. . . . These actions are, in sum, an attack on the very foundations of Americas constitutional democracy.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/at-halftime-of-the-trump-presidency-the-resistance-is-winning
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/at-halftime-of-the-trump-presidency-the-resistance-is-winning
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He's clearly keeping an open mind before the guy is sworn in. Which isn't necessarily bad.
ificandream
Sunday
#47
He does give off that Manchin/Sinema vibe, but like others have said, time will tell.
padah513
Sunday
#14
It isn't a question of rooting or not rooting for him, the problem is his actions before assuming the office
JohnSJ
Sunday
#15
I'm curious which of Trump's efforts it is that Fetterman wants Trump to succeed at...
SunSeeker
Sunday
#20
Fetterman says we need to chill out and "pace ourselves" because Trump hasn't taken office yet....
SunSeeker
Sunday
#43
Being worried that Repubs will kill Social Security is not "unwarranted." Why defend Trump?
SunSeeker
Monday
#52
You can "disagree" with a fact, but it is still a fact. The GOP has been trying to kill Social Security for years.
SunSeeker
Yesterday
#57
He is right, people don't understand the word fascist but they should know the word Nazi
MacKasey
Sunday
#24
Have a sticker with Biden face saying I did that, Just like they did with the stickers on gas pumps
MacKasey
Sunday
#30