Trump doesn't need our help to fail. He can do that on his own. He's an idiot and a screw-up.

His present passivity is not what I expected. Frankly, I'm disappointed.

I didn't have a good feeling about it at the time.
But thought he made a good recovery.

My opinion is being revised in light of current puzzling nonsensical statements.

The real proof will be his reactions to what Trump does once he's in.

orders of magnitude worse.

Time will tell.

It always does.

But am 100% certain he will. And I can wait for that without rooting. I am rooting for atherosclerosis and all the benefits

He's holding back. Which is fine. The real proof will be what happens when Trump gets in.

Yawn.

I'm 'rooting' against the traitor that I know Trump is. We have to 'defeat the evil' as John McCain once said in a debate with Obama. That stood out in my mind all these years.

"If you can't beat them, join them."

As a Texan, let me invite you to insult Senator Ted Cruz. The proper regional term is "Arrogant Shit-For-Brains Douchebag."

I hope Shapiro primaries him in 2028- he would beat him easily.

…and turned Sen. Casey out, I suspect we may have to deal with Sen. Fettermanchin for a long, long time.

Then his career will be over.

have demonstrated exactly where he is coming from, and to pretend his unqualified nominations, his unhinged threats against legislators and others is “normal”, and he should not be criticized is bullshit.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it’s a Fetterman, and it doesn’t take rocket science to understand this.

I never actually trusted him, and was for Lamb from the get go. Populists always sound good in the beginning, but there is a 50-50 chance they will come back and bite you. Sinema, formerly a Green Party member had a similar resumé, and both ended up with libertarian colors when their actual “populist” mask was removed.

It’s not that I’m on a different page but a different book altogether.

At least for now. We won't really know until we see how he votes in the next session.

On the other hand, Fetterman may be trolling Chump and the MAGAs so let's wait and see. Don't forget that Fetterman ran an exemplary Xwitter campaign trolling against the MAGAs while he ran for the Senate, and that was only 2 years ago.

The mass deportations?

Getting rid of IRS, FBI, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?

Stacking the courts with even more Republicans?

20% tariffs across the board?

Nepotism hires?

Enriching himself with taxpayer money?

Blocking any efforts to save us from climate change?

Putting us trillions of dollars in debt with tax cuts for the rich?

Privatizing the VA, post office, Medicare and Social Security?

Repealing the ACA?

Not buying what he's selling.

Trying to make the best of a situation (which we will all have to do ultimately) - is not necessarily cowardice or selling out. Fetterman has never been (IMO) anything like a wordsmith or real eloquent in framing his thoughts. (and I've had some real doubts about where he's coming from on a few things in the past) But - truth is, the incoming congress is going to have dealings with the incoming administration ... Nobody on our side of the aisle is going to be speaking to anybody at State, or Homeland or Justice for the next 4 years? Just don't think that's the way it works. Nor should it.

Trump and the GOP deserve their just desserts and everything that makes its way downhill on them - but, at the same time, if that includes wishing ill on the American people in the same breath ...
It's you and not Fetterman that misses the mark.

But Trump/Elon is already fucking with our country, fomenting shutdown, and if it weren't for Democrats acting like the adults in the room, we would be in government shutdown right now.

No elected Democrat is wishing "ill will on the American people."

So exactly what is the unwarranted Democratic "freakout" Fetterman is referring to?

as anyone reading this board can attest to. "They're going to take my SS check!" As far as party or elected officials, that incidence is probably somewhat less (as one would hope) - but then, there are a fair number (both sides of the aisle) that are just really enamored of their own voices.

Again - I find myself in the curious position here of (rather reluctantly) defending a guy that I've had some doubts about in the past. But I tend to think this might have been more a matter of poorly chosen words (which seems fairly typical of Fetterman) - than an kind of real broadside or attack on Democrats. And with the overall intent behind the words - something more rather more benign and actually rather common sense. Just my impression here. Feel free to disagree.

And invoke "both sides" bullshit to insult Dems??

Republicans have blocked Democrats' efforts to lift the cap on the Social Security tax, thus slowly starving the Social Security trust fund and letting the rich get away with failing to pay their fair share of Social Security taxes. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/national-news/social-security-where-do-democrats-and-republicans-stand/

Republicans want to get rid of Social Security as we know it (a defined benefit life long pension) and turn it into little more than a 401k that gambles on the stock market and does not guarantee a monthly benefit payment for life. https://www.newsweek.com/social-security-warning-donald-trump-1931868

How can you defend that?

45 has been using Hitler speeches as his cliff notes

It just shows how easily people can be manipulated, just like Germany in the 30s and 40s.

We need to pick our battles,
we need to walk softly and carry a big stick and another saying is keep your friends close but you keep your enemies closer so we know what the hell they're doing.

We need to be cool headed and smart and try to be one step ahead of them

I've been saying we need to do some Perot graphs and make everything easy to understand, make schoolhouse Rock videos for everything so you keep it short and simple so it's easy to understand.

Save our strength for those that matter. Like ACA, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. food stamps.social safety nets. They need also to start campaigning from the get go for 2028 and throw enough monkey wrenches into the mix to slow down the orange dozer. They need to put up billboards beside every single infrastructure project resulting from Biden’s bill si trump doesn’t get the credit. These are also small acts of defiance.

... think long and hard about what you say next. Support for Trump is NOT –[i]NOT – synonymous with support for the country, by any stretch of the imagination. I, for one, fully support the office of the presidency, but not the malevolent dipshit about to defile that august position. Trump is the antithesis of everything a president should be.
Get your head on straight, son.

Nah.

(Hey fetterman, your roots are showing.)

TCF says and does, often seen on cable news and clickbait grifter YouTube and social media posts, it does not follow that anyone ought to be rooting for TCF to "succeed" because TCF does not have goals which are aligned with either morality or the law. Rooting for TCF to succeed is to root for immoral acts and criminality.

Rooting against TCF is rooting for the nation: for general prosperity not only the already rich, for decency not depraved abuse, for lawfulness not scofflaws and bandits, for a non-dystopian future.

I agree with the part about not freaking out and the constant hand wringing before Stump is even inaugurated. But to say you want Stump to be successful is just plain ignorant. If he doesn't understand what successful looks like for Stump (political revenge, destroying the executive branch, end of environmental regulations, tax cuts for the top 1%, Russia running wild in Eastern Europe, and much worse) then he's got his head up his ass. If Trump is successful the country is fucked.

"Fetterman supports taxpayer-funded drug dens and the complete decriminalization of illegal drugs, including heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and ultra lethal fentanyl," Trump said. "By the way, he takes them himself."

"Following the speech, Fetterman's campaign released a statement saying in part, 'more and more lies from Trump and Dr. Oz, another day, but it's the same crap from these two desperate and sad dudes.'

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/by-the-way-he-takes-them-himself-former-president-trump-accuses-fetterman-of-abusing-drugs/

Don't forget, Trump is rooting against you, Senator Fetterman.

when Trump fails, our country wins. (...and vice versa)

I promise I won't root against Trump.
But I'll hope against him for all I'm worth.

"If you're rooting against the president, you are rooting against the nation." Fetterman

Trump = the country?

"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

Fetterman is wrong.

Trump incited insurrection against the Capitol
Trump vows to seek retribution against his "enemies" by using our justice department
Trump ran for office by saying this would be the last election people would have
Trump seeks approval by Vladimir Putin - a man who actually does rig elections and puts people in jail who criticize him


Senator Fetterman is so wrong he needs to be elected OUT of office.
He clearly can't be trusted.