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48. The tax authorities have the closest powers to the old Gestapo that you can get in today's Germany
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015

They don't always exercise them, of course, but they can.

If you have a US passport, you are responsible for US taxes, period. You do get a credit for taxes paid in other countries, and if you live in another country, and the tax rate there is higher, then THEORETICALLY you get a credit toward your US taxes and don't owe any. There are, however many exceptions to this rule, especially concerning income from certain designated kinds of sources. These are all spelled out in the double taxation treaty. In my case, where 100% of my income is from American sources, the Germans have chosen to completely ignore the clauses of the double taxation treaty that apply to me, and demand that I pay taxes on income I have already been taxed on in the USA, and which is supposedly excluded from German taxes as laid out in the treaty. I already paid my US taxes on that income in 2011, and with the Germans demanding that I pay over 50% to them as well, I am in the 105% tax bracket (or somewhere thereabouts), and have lodged a protest. If it is disallowed, my wife and I will have to leave the country, as I cannot survive on -5% of my income.

There is also the issue of my Roth IRA. I made the conversion before I moved my legal residence to Germany, paid my US taxes, and therefore under US law owe no further taxes on my IRA. When the Bush recession had done its damage to my portfolio, and it was clear to me that the value of my IRA under an Obama presidency could only go up, I made the conversion, so any gains after that point would be tax free (that is the definition of the Roth conversion--if the value of your investment goes down, you don't get to write it off, either). The Germans are making noises about wanting to tax me on my fully taxed (under US law) retirement funds as well. Apparently there has never been a ruling here about an American citizen with a converted, tax-paid (but not yet paid out) Roth IRA moving to Germany. My wife and I could live very well for several years on the difference, and I am not about to let the Germans pour half of my retirement fund down the black hole of Greece's debt just because there aren't enough German pockets left to pick.

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I'm thinking of moving to Europe [View all] RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 OP
I'd seriously consider it too, elleng Dec 2014 #1
I dream of it daily. I have been to Europe 15 times or so CurtEastPoint Dec 2014 #2
I understand your feelings completely..I've also been to Europe whathehell Dec 2014 #10
I have never encountered any. I speak the languages so CurtEastPoint Dec 2014 #11
Okay..Thanks for your input. n/t whathehell Dec 2014 #12
Good to hear. whathehell Feb 2015 #28
What little "Anti-Americanism" there is evaporates if you speak their language DFW Feb 2015 #18
That is so true. cbayer Feb 2015 #25
That is SO true GP6971 Feb 2015 #32
I love your thank you story. cbayer Feb 2015 #34
Thanks! GP6971 Feb 2015 #37
Very cool. Never been there. cbayer Feb 2015 #39
I'm Croatian on one side and have the right to dual citizenship, & so am learning Croatian whathehell Feb 2015 #35
I studied Russian DFW Feb 2015 #40
Right.. whathehell Feb 2015 #44
I found myself understanding quite a bit when I was in Croatia DFW Feb 2015 #47
Malta is an English speaking country WhiteTara Dec 2014 #3
World history is filled with people leaving their Lint Head Dec 2014 #4
Scroll down for online Dutch lessons ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2014 #5
Thanks for the link RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #6
I found Swedish to be more similar to English than Dutch DFW Feb 2015 #22
I hope you are able to do it. cbayer Dec 2014 #7
Thank you for the link RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #8
We've traveled a good deal esp. to Europe and England where I was a student. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #9
You can't just "move to Europe," unfortunately Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2014 #13
I can marry someone over there too, RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #14
There is nothing to prevent you from marrying a European DFW Feb 2015 #21
Thanks for that RoccoR5955 Feb 2015 #23
It sounds like your Nederlands is coming along fine DFW Feb 2015 #24
You say you can get an ancestry visa with a German Grandparent?..My spouse has Four whathehell Dec 2014 #15
I live in Germany, although I don't want citizenship DFW Feb 2015 #20
Thank you for all your good information.. whathehell Feb 2015 #27
You can, but you had better consider all consequences of that. DFW Feb 2015 #36
Thanks again, my husband and I are unlikely to have any problems whathehell Feb 2015 #38
That should exceed any age limit for sure! DFW Feb 2015 #42
Wow.. whathehell Feb 2015 #45
The tax authorities have the closest powers to the old Gestapo that you can get in today's Germany DFW Feb 2015 #48
As to seniors, if I'm not mistaken, at least some European countries will let whathehell Dec 2014 #16
The "one grandparent" rule is used a lot, sometimes abused DFW Feb 2015 #19
I also have been living overseas davidpdx Dec 2014 #17
I would, if I had money shenmue Feb 2015 #26
I have worked in Denmark, Holland, and Japan, and was always told that it was American policy that djean111 Feb 2015 #29
The Dutch speak great English. Transition can be gradual on point Feb 2015 #30
I feel as if I'm already in another country on the West Coast Auggie Feb 2015 #31
You have to learn Dutch to become a citizen of the Netherlands? yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #33
My son married an Eastern European woman, and has a second passport from his English mother. NBachers Feb 2015 #41
Ir Republicans take the White House... 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #43
LOL! whathehell Feb 2015 #46
Sounds Good JohnKKR Mar 2015 #49
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