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jmbar2

(8,306 posts)
33. Great article
Fri Jul 10, 2026, 12:47 PM
Friday
Three gauges, all climbing into the red.

1. Popular immiseration- wage growth stagnation since the '70s
2. Wealth pump
3. Elite overproduction - "society produces far more ambitious, credentialed people than it has powerful positions to give them".

History’s revolutions, his data shows, are not led by the hungry. They are led by frustrated would-be elites who harness the anger of the hungry. The men in masks on July 4th were not peasants. Neither were the leaders of any uprising in his database.


Among the societies in Turchin’s crisis database, the ones that reached the condition America is in now, the outcomes read like a coroner’s ledger. Forty percent saw their rulers assassinated. Twenty percent endured civil wars that lasted a century. Three quarters ended in revolution or civil war or both. And sixty percent of them ceased to exist entirely, dissolved from within or conquered from without. Turchin’s current description of the United States, in his clinical vocabulary, is a society in a “revolutionary situation.”


And here is the finding I need you to hold onto: the clearest case of the peaceful exit in Turchin’s entire dataset is the United States of America. The Gilded Age ran the wealth pump exactly as it runs today, complete with private armies, street bombings, and contempt between the classes. And then, across the Progressive Era and the New Deal, the pump was deliberately throttled: taxation of great fortunes, the breakup of monopolies, the legalization of unions, the great expansion of education that gave surplus elites somewhere to go. What followed was the only period in the database where inequality reversed peacefully: the postwar decades of shared prosperity. If you are over sixty, you were born inside the third ending. It is not a theory. It is your childhood.


This analysis is exactly the same as my favorite economist, Gary Stevenson. His analysis covers both the US and Britain.

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Read the whole piece, y'all. K&R ms liberty Friday #1
You just gave me my first K&R! Dem_in_Nebr. Friday #2
K&R again! erronis Friday #9
Dayum! GPV Friday #3
Damn thats a good read. N/t gay texan Friday #4
Kick for later Unwind Your Mind Friday #5
Highly Recommended La Coliniere Friday #6
I KNEW My Allusions to 1789 Were More Truth Than.... ColoringFool Friday #7
You can just use pen and paper this time BaronChocula Friday #37
Ha! I very much dislike knitting! Clickety-click, clickety-click.......! ColoringFool Friday #62
Random related thought BaronChocula Friday #75
I ain't no Spring chicken! ColoringFool Friday #80
Excusez-moi moi, mais. . . Mme. Defarge Friday #68
Turchin's article needs to be read by everyone. KS Toronado Friday #8
Excellent analysis dlk Friday #10
Bookmarked and Recommended CoopersDad Friday #11
Unfortunately angrychair Friday #12
"The greatest enemy of the United States, as far as both sides of Congress are concerned, is progressives." LymphocyteLover Friday #16
Congress has become a path to unlimited wealth angrychair Friday #20
who is "they" that will do anything to stop them? LymphocyteLover 21 hrs ago #83
Not true relogic Friday #24
Well said! DemocracyForever Friday #28
Democrats are a diverse coalition party and progressives are an important part of that coalition but are not the base LymphocyteLover 22 hrs ago #81
What? yardwork Friday #73
The article is very interesting Klondike Kat Friday #13
Ok then dweller Friday #14
Ditto! Alice B. Friday #15
Sooo...like Asimov's Psychohistory progressoid Friday #17
are there any fictional characters more relevant to 2026 usa rampartd Friday #32
The Mule was sterile, unfortunately our mule is/was not... Wounded Bear Friday #39
another asimov concept is the laws of robotics rampartd Friday #52
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i'll have to find that one. rampartd Friday #51
Well worth everyone's time to read... Silver Gaia Friday #18
Brilliant! GiqueCee Friday #19
He's talking about Roosevelt's New Deal ... that's the third ending FakeNoose Friday #21
Highly recommended democrank Friday #22
Here's an important paragraph Bobstandard Friday #23
But that makes 195% of societies' outcomes Farmer-Rick Friday #69
Kick ybbor Friday #25
I have always loved reading history. Snackshack Friday #26
A must-read article. Talitha Friday #27
Bush vs Gore started this nightmare DemocracyForever Friday #29
I could not agree more. hamsterjill Friday #54
Exactly! And then, within no time at all, came the Homeland Security Bill... BComplex Friday #64
There's a wild card this time, and that's generative AI and the surveillance AND DISTRACTIONS it offers. highplainsdem Friday #30
The writer and historian Morris Berman... keep_left Friday #31
Great article jmbar2 Friday #33
Thank you. This is consistent with a book I've been meaning to read, but is still far back in my schedule... NNadir Friday #34
Thank you for this post Dem_in_Nebr., and the link to Substack. I also subscibed. c-rational Friday #35
Bookmarking to read later. Thank you for sharing this - looks interesting. yellow dahlia Friday #36
The one difference is technology and the world economy Buckeyeblue Friday #38
Yes, and the impact of AI will be devastating in an Oligarchy that doesn't care if the masses suffer. Doodley Friday #77
Wow, read the entire link. I see the bottom line as the powerful's continued use of the "Divide And Conquer" method. Exp Friday #40
who do you think is doing the organizing? NJCher Friday #47
I agree with you:: Exp Friday #48
Excellent article Wild blueberry Friday #41
Way worth reading. Another Jackalope Friday #42
Hhmm...wonder if the writer meant 1860, not 1870. mwmisses4289 Friday #43
The dates were a little odd, I agree. yardwork 22 hrs ago #82
As a person who did computer modelling of animals while in myPhD program 31j20b3 Friday #44
Cliodynamics has done better while I wasn't watching 4dog Friday #65
There is no scientific database that can predict history JCMach1 Friday #45
Generations by Strauss and Howe Deminpenn Friday #46
I've been collecting these cyclical interpreters. Have a whole file of them. NJCher Friday #49
Agreed, this fits very closely with "The Fourth Turning" LR3 Friday #57
The Fourth Turning is actually by at least one of "Generations" authors Deminpenn Friday #63
Which is historiography and not scientific at all... JCMach1 21 hrs ago #84
A great read revealing math based confirmation B.See Friday #53
"May you live in interesting times." is all the heads up I needed. OC375 Friday #55
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Bookmarked for later read. GoodRaisin Friday #58
Read, kick, Rec malaise Friday #59
K&R. Excellent article... renordgren Friday #60
Sheesh! FINALLY got to this. calimary Friday #61
I did, too, 21 years ago and I posted it on DU. Kid Berwyn Friday #66
We need the return of the FDR era Clouds Passing Friday #67
🤔 who was the President some thought would be the next FDR ? dweller Friday #70
Biden's policies were the closest to FDR. yardwork Friday #74
FORMIDABLE! Mme. Defarge Friday #71
One of the best things I've read in a long time. yardwork Friday #72
KNR and bookmarking. niyad Friday #76
K&R red dog 1 Friday #78
Karl Marx predicted this in 1867. BlueTsunami2018 Friday #79
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