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karynnj

(61,255 posts)
22. No Democrat has ever denied Israel's right to exist or to defend itself
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:47 AM
12 hrs ago

What is true is tjay some like Mamdani have said they agree to Israel's right to exist as a Democratic state with rights for all. Note this NOT mean they support attacking Israel.

The issue of Israel is as tricky an issue as any I can think of. There is a "connection" to Israel through religion for most Americans. For those of us baby boomers, there is additionally that it was born out of holocaust and was a brave little country fighting to survive. Although I know it wasn't always so, for the entire time I followed politics, Israel has been supported by both parties.

After the horror of October 7th, I doubt anyone was surprised that Israel responded. However when it continued with the ferocity it did and entire parts of Gaza were reduced to rubble and the fighting continued, there came a point where we needed to condition our support. Biden/Harris was attacked by the right as abandoning Israel and by the left because we didn't stop Israel.

There was and is no position that could have pleased everyone. Current calls to stop providing offensive weapons, which is consistent with the Leahy law, is controversial and likely what Fetterman is speaking of, but if it is limited to offensive weapons it is not about Israel defending itself.

The idea that creating a large buffer in Lebanon, razing entire communities and bombing adjacent communities and pushing Trump to join them in a war against Iran are things Netanyahu defines as protecting Israel that are more accurately described as aggressive. From his votes, Fetterman may agree with Netanyahu.

This while many people, who could be described as liberal Zionists (like J Street) that these actions and the expanding settlements in the West Bank have destroyed any possibility of Israel being a democratic Jewish state with equal rights for all.

As to Fetterman, it is only in Presidential elections that parties have platforms. He is up for election in 2028. He might be surprised that neither party will want him. This might not be really about Israel. If he recognizes that he would lose the Democratic party, he might see that his only potential Trump card (pun intended) would be if we win enough Senate seats to have 51 in January 2027. However, no matter what the Republicans promise, I would bet by the time of his primary, he will have a well funded opponent and weak support from the RSC.





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Please let the door hit you on your way out. Blue Owl 12 hrs ago #1
He is disloyal to the United States. Dawson Leery 12 hrs ago #2
Hardly. ColoringFool 10 hrs ago #72
Hell, TSF isn't helping Israel to much bluestarone 12 hrs ago #3
"Speaking with Fox News host Sean Hannity .... " Botany 12 hrs ago #4
I don't know of any Democrat in Congress who is against Israel defending itself or existing. everyonematters 12 hrs ago #5
It's a clever framing, isn't it? AloeVera 12 hrs ago #10
I am not convinced that Biden could have stopped it karynnj 6 hrs ago #94
It's gonna stay that way too.. There doesn't seem to be a winning position for Democrats. LeftInTX 6 hrs ago #98
I'm not sure what position they could come together behind karynnj 5 hrs ago #99
Interesting choice of words. "Israel would never agree to it". AloeVera 1 hr ago #106
I'm sure he'd see a fund cut as part of Israel's right, too! mymomwasright 12 hrs ago #19
Country over party is laudable. AloeVera 12 hrs ago #6
That would be one less centrist in the party. Emile 12 hrs ago #7
He is not a centrist WSHazel 12 hrs ago #13
He lied to get into office. He ran as Emile 12 hrs ago #18
IMHO it was the stroke. The evidence is overwhelming that post-stroke Fetterman is profoundly different at multiple Celerity 10 hrs ago #60
LCV scorecard: Fetterman 84% lifetime, 80% 2025: McCormick - total zero across the board RandomNumbers 11 hrs ago #26
Senator John Fetterman votes with the Democratic party approximately 91% to 93% of the time. Emile 11 hrs ago #31
PA is a purple state. I'll take a centrist D over a reich-wing R ANY FUCKING DAY. Unlike RandomNumbers 11 hrs ago #36
If the voters in Pennsylvania wanted a centrist, Emile 11 hrs ago #39
They wanted someone who they thought stood up for actual people, AND who supported women's rights RandomNumbers 10 hrs ago #48
You can't change history. He won his seat Emile 10 hrs ago #53
You are right that Fetterman never ran as anti AIPAC AZProgressive 10 hrs ago #73
Wow! I hadn't heard that about Conor Lamb before TVguyCards 6 hrs ago #96
BLUE 7 OUT OF LAST 10. ColoringFool 10 hrs ago #75
Surrendering in advance Cirsium 8 hrs ago #88
I'll bet that changes to ZERO percent once he switches LuvLoogie 10 hrs ago #61
That's very possible. Emile 10 hrs ago #62
John Fetterman casts the deciding vote against limiting Trump's war in Iran Celerity 10 hrs ago #69
Of course he would be the deciding AGAINST a Democratic position. LuvLoogie 4 hrs ago #104
Fetterman is not a "centrist""... he's a fuckimg Cha 7 hrs ago #89
That too! Emile 6 hrs ago #90
Go ahead and leave, dickhead. Aristus 12 hrs ago #8
"Going to" leave the party? 3_Limes 12 hrs ago #9
Bingo ! we have a winner. republianmushroom 11 hrs ago #25
He votes with Dems more than 90% of the time and if we win the Senate in midterms MadameButterfly 9 hrs ago #82
He's going to leave the Party whatever happens... kentuck 12 hrs ago #11
Okay by me. He's not much of a Democrat anyway. sinkingfeeling 12 hrs ago #12
He is itching for an excuse to orangecrush 12 hrs ago #14
Hasn't needed an excuse yet unweird 10 hrs ago #51
Good! ABC123Easy 12 hrs ago #15
Hasn't he already (in all but "name") anyway? Enough of his blackmail. hlthe2b 12 hrs ago #16
Hey John! Israel and Netanyahu ARE NOT THE SAME THING! NT maxrandb 12 hrs ago #17
Agreed, but looking at the polls on their upcoming karynnj 11 hrs ago #30
There are many myths about Israel. AloeVera 10 hrs ago #68
The 10 seats were the projection of many polls karynnj 9 hrs ago #77
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do, it doesn't mean shit to me Autumn 12 hrs ago #20
Israel is and will always be an ally of the US, but we don't have them give them weapons Wanderlust988 12 hrs ago #21
No Democrat has ever denied Israel's right to exist or to defend itself karynnj 12 hrs ago #22
Bye Bye Johnny! La Coliniere 12 hrs ago #23
This is why we need 5 Dems to win Senate races in order to gain control of the Senate BluenFLA 11 hrs ago #24
He ain't switching parties. Wiz Imp 11 hrs ago #43
see post 60 for some answers (the second part deals with Fetterman's obsession with Israel) Celerity 9 hrs ago #80
STROKE OUT M'FER - and this time finish the job. harumph 11 hrs ago #27
Does he think he could be a talking head on FOX in his shorts and sweatshirt? Bengus81 11 hrs ago #28
Can we be critical, John? Sneederbunk 11 hrs ago #29
The reality is, he already left the party.... He calls himself a Democrat, but he isn't one.... Strange dude... ashredux 11 hrs ago #32
Go ahead. Make my day. MadMike47 11 hrs ago #33
Israel does exist. It's "right" to is moot. maxsolomon 11 hrs ago #34
There is a New York Times best selling book AZProgressive 9 hrs ago #79
They are a minority. Also Jewish Voice for Peace is a very loud minority. LeftInTX 5 hrs ago #100
I doubt... GiqueCee 11 hrs ago #35
Not one Democrat questions MustLoveBeagles 11 hrs ago #37
What constitutes anti Israel: The Wizard 11 hrs ago #38
It's not anti-Israel, it's anti Netanyahu. Fla Dem 11 hrs ago #40
Exactly. Fetterman should listen to AMERICAN Jews Bluetus 11 hrs ago #44
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Ritabert 11 hrs ago #41
Is that all it takes? Omnipresent 11 hrs ago #42
It was the stroke, it profoundly changed him at so many levels, plus he is being handled, see post 60 for more detail: Celerity 8 hrs ago #87
Any excuse will do dlk 11 hrs ago #45
Yes it is MustLoveBeagles 10 hrs ago #70
No matter how it goes, Fetterman is a one-termer. Bluetus 11 hrs ago #46
Up for reelection in 2028. So who is going to run against him? Grins 11 hrs ago #47
"Defend itself" twodogsbarking 10 hrs ago #49
Bye! jrthin 10 hrs ago #50
His leaving the Democratic party would be an issue? Dave Id 10 hrs ago #52
Leaving the Senate? Becoming independent? Caucusing with the gop? Joining the gop? QueerDuck 10 hrs ago #54
So, he has NO CLUE what Israel's critics are really saying? William Seger 10 hrs ago #55
It is deliberate. RockRaven 9 hrs ago #78
Dont care quakerboy 10 hrs ago #56
Kick his ass out FHRRK1 10 hrs ago #57
So what! Donman 10 hrs ago #58
Smell ya later! Gaytano70 10 hrs ago #59
Those things have never been part of the Democratic party's platform, and aren't likely to be any time soon. LudwigPastorius 10 hrs ago #63
so which party in the Knesset will Fetterman join? DBoon 10 hrs ago #64
He can sit with Ben Givr and the other Ars Longa 10 hrs ago #71
He's already gone. SergeStorms 10 hrs ago #65
Maybe they can do it just long enough to get rid of him, then... TygrBright 10 hrs ago #66
Not surprised as he's always been a populace candidate. rogue emissary 10 hrs ago #67
Do you mean a populist candidate? Celerity 9 hrs ago #83
Yes, and voters have turned on Israel he'll follow the majority eventually. rogue emissary 8 hrs ago #85
I highly doubt he stops his OTT support of Israel. See post 60. Celerity 8 hrs ago #86
Smells like a purity test to me. aocommunalpunch 10 hrs ago #74
I'm having difficulty feeling any sympathy for Fetterman. If I had a more charitable view than I actually do, PatrickforB 9 hrs ago #76
Being against Netanyahu's maniacal leadership is not anti-Israel. blm 9 hrs ago #81
There is ALWAYS one of these orthoclad 8 hrs ago #84
Thought he already had. tavernier 6 hrs ago #91
He's got a permanent seat on the right wing propaganda machine. miyazaki 6 hrs ago #92
A better link to avoid "download our app" crap paywall TVguyCards 6 hrs ago #93
Well, fuck you, Fetterman. This is the United States Of America, not the Israeli States Of America. Initech 6 hrs ago #95
Some might called this purity politics. David__77 6 hrs ago #97
He should move there already IbogaProject 5 hrs ago #101
Good riddance VanceFan 5 hrs ago #102
Or he'll leave the party for some other reason. Iggo 4 hrs ago #103
Hmmmm Timewas 3 hrs ago #105
Well, bye! Initech 1 hr ago #107
"Gimme attention! Gimme! Gimme! Wannattention!" struggle4progress 1 hr ago #108
How will we know? n/t BlueSpot 1 hr ago #109
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