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a kennedy

(36,801 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 10:54 AM 5 hrs ago

So Fetterman will leave the party if the Democrats take a "anti- Israel Party" stance.

Senator John Fetterman (D-PA) revealed that “the one thing” that would make him leave the Democratic Party would be if it became an “anti-Israel party” and if denying Israel’s “right to defend itself and to exist” became “a formal part of our platform.”

The senator has been unequivocal in his support for Israel and a staunch advocate for the country’s interests in Congress since the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7, 2023.

Since President Donald Trump returned to office, Fetterman has repeatedly criticized fellow Democratic lawmakers’ comments toward the administration and broken with colleagues on some votes – although he votes alongside party lines most of the time.

Despite past reports that Senate Republicans were hoping to flip Fetterman, he has shrugged off the idea of crossing the aisle.

Speaking with Fox News host Sean Hannity on Hannity Wednesday night, however, the senator admitted there was one line that, if crossed, would prompt him to leave the Democratic Party, and that concerns Israel.

https://l.smartnews.com/p-81STBC6c/QvRORn

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So Fetterman will leave the party if the Democrats take a "anti- Israel Party" stance. (Original Post) a kennedy 5 hrs ago OP
Please let the door hit you on your way out. Blue Owl 5 hrs ago #1
He is disloyal to the United States. Dawson Leery 5 hrs ago #2
Hardly. ColoringFool 2 hrs ago #72
Hell, TSF isn't helping Israel to much bluestarone 5 hrs ago #3
"Speaking with Fox News host Sean Hannity .... " Botany 5 hrs ago #4
I don't know of any Democrat in Congress who is against Israel defending itself or existing. everyonematters 5 hrs ago #5
It's a clever framing, isn't it? AloeVera 4 hrs ago #10
I'm sure he'd see a fund cut as part of Israel's right, too! mymomwasright 4 hrs ago #19
Country over party is laudable. AloeVera 5 hrs ago #6
That would be one less centrist in the party. Emile 5 hrs ago #7
He is not a centrist WSHazel 4 hrs ago #13
He lied to get into office. He ran as Emile 4 hrs ago #18
IMHO it was the stroke. The evidence is overwhelming that post-stroke Fetterman is profoundly different at multiple Celerity 2 hrs ago #60
LCV scorecard: Fetterman 84% lifetime, 80% 2025: McCormick - total zero across the board RandomNumbers 4 hrs ago #26
Senator John Fetterman votes with the Democratic party approximately 91% to 93% of the time. Emile 3 hrs ago #31
PA is a purple state. I'll take a centrist D over a reich-wing R ANY FUCKING DAY. Unlike RandomNumbers 3 hrs ago #36
If the voters in Pennsylvania wanted a centrist, Emile 3 hrs ago #39
They wanted someone who they thought stood up for actual people, AND who supported women's rights RandomNumbers 3 hrs ago #48
You can't change history. He won his seat Emile 3 hrs ago #53
You are right that Fetterman never ran as anti AIPAC AZProgressive 2 hrs ago #73
BLUE 7 OUT OF LAST 10. ColoringFool 2 hrs ago #75
Surrendering in advance Cirsium 22 min ago #88
I'll bet that changes to ZERO percent once he switches LuvLoogie 2 hrs ago #61
That's very possible. Emile 2 hrs ago #62
John Fetterman casts the deciding vote against limiting Trump's war in Iran Celerity 2 hrs ago #69
Go ahead and leave, dickhead. Aristus 4 hrs ago #8
"Going to" leave the party? 3_Limes 4 hrs ago #9
Bingo ! we have a winner. republianmushroom 4 hrs ago #25
He votes with Dems more than 90% of the time and if we win the Senate in midterms MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #82
He's going to leave the Party whatever happens... kentuck 4 hrs ago #11
Okay by me. He's not much of a Democrat anyway. sinkingfeeling 4 hrs ago #12
He is itching for an excuse to orangecrush 4 hrs ago #14
Hasn't needed an excuse yet unweird 3 hrs ago #51
Good! ABC123Easy 4 hrs ago #15
Hasn't he already (in all but "name") anyway? Enough of his blackmail. hlthe2b 4 hrs ago #16
Hey John! Israel and Netanyahu ARE NOT THE SAME THING! NT maxrandb 4 hrs ago #17
Agreed, but looking at the polls on their upcoming karynnj 3 hrs ago #30
There are many myths about Israel. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #68
The 10 seats were the projection of many polls karynnj 2 hrs ago #77
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Or do, it doesn't mean shit to me Autumn 4 hrs ago #20
Israel is and will always be an ally of the US, but we don't have them give them weapons Wanderlust988 4 hrs ago #21
No Democrat has ever denied Israel's right to exist or to defend itself karynnj 4 hrs ago #22
Bye Bye Johnny! La Coliniere 4 hrs ago #23
This is why we need 5 Dems to win Senate races in order to gain control of the Senate BluenFLA 4 hrs ago #24
He ain't switching parties. Wiz Imp 3 hrs ago #43
see post 60 for some answers (the second part deals with Fetterman's obsession with Israel) Celerity 1 hr ago #80
STROKE OUT M'FER - and this time finish the job. harumph 4 hrs ago #27
Does he think he could be a talking head on FOX in his shorts and sweatshirt? Bengus81 3 hrs ago #28
Can we be critical, John? Sneederbunk 3 hrs ago #29
The reality is, he already left the party.... He calls himself a Democrat, but he isn't one.... Strange dude... ashredux 3 hrs ago #32
Go ahead. Make my day. MadMike47 3 hrs ago #33
Israel does exist. It's "right" to is moot. maxsolomon 3 hrs ago #34
There is a New York Times best selling book AZProgressive 2 hrs ago #79
I doubt... GiqueCee 3 hrs ago #35
Not one Democrat questions MustLoveBeagles 3 hrs ago #37
What constitutes anti Israel: The Wizard 3 hrs ago #38
It's not anti-Israel, it's anti Netanyahu. Fla Dem 3 hrs ago #40
Exactly. Fetterman should listen to AMERICAN Jews Bluetus 3 hrs ago #44
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Ritabert 3 hrs ago #41
Is that all it takes? Omnipresent 3 hrs ago #42
It was the stroke, it profoundly changed him at so many levels, plus he is being handled, see post 60 for more detail: Celerity 37 min ago #87
Any excuse will do dlk 3 hrs ago #45
Yes it is MustLoveBeagles 2 hrs ago #70
No matter how it goes, Fetterman is a one-termer. Bluetus 3 hrs ago #46
Up for reelection in 2028. So who is going to run against him? Grins 3 hrs ago #47
"Defend itself" twodogsbarking 3 hrs ago #49
Bye! jrthin 3 hrs ago #50
His leaving the Democratic party would be an issue? Dave Id 3 hrs ago #52
Leaving the Senate? Becoming independent? Caucusing with the gop? Joining the gop? QueerDuck 2 hrs ago #54
So, he has NO CLUE what Israel's critics are really saying? William Seger 2 hrs ago #55
It is deliberate. RockRaven 2 hrs ago #78
Dont care quakerboy 2 hrs ago #56
Kick his ass out FHRRK1 2 hrs ago #57
So what! Donman 2 hrs ago #58
Smell ya later! Gaytano70 2 hrs ago #59
Those things have never been part of the Democratic party's platform, and aren't likely to be any time soon. LudwigPastorius 2 hrs ago #63
so which party in the Knesset will Fetterman join? DBoon 2 hrs ago #64
He can sit with Ben Givr and the other Ars Longa 2 hrs ago #71
He's already gone. SergeStorms 2 hrs ago #65
Maybe they can do it just long enough to get rid of him, then... TygrBright 2 hrs ago #66
Not surprised as he's always been a populace candidate. rogue emissary 2 hrs ago #67
Do you mean a populist candidate? Celerity 1 hr ago #83
Yes, and voters have turned on Israel he'll follow the majority eventually. rogue emissary 50 min ago #85
I highly doubt he stops his OTT support of Israel. See post 60. Celerity 40 min ago #86
Smells like a purity test to me. aocommunalpunch 2 hrs ago #74
I'm having difficulty feeling any sympathy for Fetterman. If I had a more charitable view than I actually do, PatrickforB 2 hrs ago #76
Being against Netanyahu's maniacal leadership is not anti-Israel. blm 1 hr ago #81
There is ALWAYS one of these orthoclad 56 min ago #84

Botany

(78,324 posts)
4. "Speaking with Fox News host Sean Hannity .... "
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:03 AM
5 hrs ago


Fuck him he is already gone. Israel is a criminal operation and is now working on stealing
southern Lebanon and making it part of the nation of Israel as it works non stop to deny
the Palestinian a homeland.

everyonematters

(4,324 posts)
5. I don't know of any Democrat in Congress who is against Israel defending itself or existing.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:03 AM
5 hrs ago

Disagreements are with things like Policy regarding Gaza and settlements. Although Fetterman may have a different idea of what that means.

AloeVera

(4,688 posts)
10. It's a clever framing, isn't it?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:11 AM
4 hrs ago

That despicable framing is what manufactured consent and allowed the Gaza genocide. Because what decent person would be against Israel's right to exist or defend itself?

Emile

(44,218 posts)
18. He lied to get into office. He ran as
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:28 AM
4 hrs ago

progressive to WIN. Voters are voting for candidates that will represent the people, not centrists. Now that he's been in office, his voting records are clearly of a centrist. Fetterman votes with the party around 92% of the time. Manchin who was considered a centrist, voted the party line 89% of the time. Cinema who was considered a centrist, voted the party line 94% of the time.

Fetterman is considered a centrist on line.

Celerity

(55,422 posts)
60. IMHO it was the stroke. The evidence is overwhelming that post-stroke Fetterman is profoundly different at multiple
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:21 PM
2 hrs ago

levels than pre-stroke Fetterman. He also has (perhaps due to the stroke) allowed himself to be 'handled' by a person who appears to be a malign actor.


All By Himself John Fetterman insists he is in good health.

But staffers past and present say they no longer recognize the man they once knew.


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/john-fetterman-struggle-mental-health-clinical-depression.html

https://archive.ph/ukGOC



When John Fetterman was released from Walter Reed hospital in March 2023, Adam Jentleson, then his chief of staff, was proud of his boss for seeking help for what the senator’s office and his doctor had said was a case of clinical depression. His six weeks of inpatient care had been the latest medical setback for the Pennsylvania Democrat, who had had a stroke mere months before being elected to the U.S. Senate in 2022, nearly derailing his campaign against Republican Mehmet Oz. But a year after his release from the hospital, Fetterman’s behavior had so alarmed Jentleson that he resigned his position. In May 2024, he wrote an urgent letter to David Williamson, the medical director of the traumatic-brain-injury and neuropsychiatry unit at Walter Reed, who had overseen Fetterman’s care at the hospital. “I think John is on a bad trajectory and I’m really worried about him,” the email began. If things didn’t change, Jentleson continued, he was concerned Fetterman “won’t be with us for much longer.”

His 1,600-word email came with the subject line “concerns,” and it contained a list of them, from the seemingly mundane (“He eats fast food multiple times a day”) to the scary (“We do not know if he is taking his meds and his behavior frequently suggests he is not”). “We often see the kind of warning signs we discussed,” Jentleson wrote. “Conspiratorial thinking; megalomania (for example, he claims to be the most knowledgeable source on Israel and Gaza around but his sources are just what he reads in the news — he declines most briefings and never reads memos); high highs and low lows; long, rambling, repetitive and self centered monologues; lying in ways that are painfully, awkwardly obvious to everyone in the room.”

Fetterman was, according to Jentleson, avoiding the regular checkups advised by his doctors. He was preoccupied with the social-media platform X, which he’d previously admitted had been a major “accelerant” of his depression. He drove his car so “recklessly,” Jentleson said, that staff refused to ride with him. He had also bought a gun. “He says he has a biometric safe and takes all the necessary precautions, and living where he does I understand the desire for personal protection,” Jentleson wrote, referring to Fetterman’s rough-and-tumble town of Braddock, Pennsylvania. “But this is one of the things you said to flag, so I am flagging.” Another red flag, Jentleson added: “Every person who was supposed to help him stay on his recovery plan has been pushed out.” Fetterman was isolated, had “damaged personal relationships,” and was shedding staff. The turmoil in his office continued over the following year. Since winning election in 2022, he has lost his closest advisers, including three of his top spokespeople, his legislative director, and Jentleson. His circle of trust has shrunk, and people I spoke with made it clear that they expect more staffers to depart.

When Fetterman first caught the attention of the national press, journalists wrote about him like he was a benevolent ogre crossed with a folk hero. More specifically, that’s how I wrote about him. “This is the tale of Big John Fetterman, the giant who lives in an abandoned car dealership beside a steel mill,” my 2018 profile in the Washington Post began. “He’s six-eight, arms covered in ink, head as bald as a wrecking ball.” At the time, Fetterman was mayor of Braddock, which looked a lot like the left-behind corners of the country that had flocked to Donald Trump. He was running for lieutenant governor of the state, and it was easy to see his appeal: He was a bit introverted and curmudgeonly, but funny, smart, and passionate about the fate of communities like Braddock, tattooing the date of each murder that occurred in the town during his tenure on his arm. Endorsed by Bernie Sanders, but also sympathetic to fracking and other positions that cut against the progressive grain, he cruised to victory that year.

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Fetterman Secret Israel Handler Exposed - How a little-known writer became one of the senator's closest confidants.




https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/john-fetterman-israel-palestine-david-safier-aipac.html

https://archive.ph/cXJwN


David “Dovi” Safier shared this selfie with John Fetterman on social media, expressing his gratitude for the senator. Photo: X/Safier

Over the last three years, Democratic Party support for Israel has undergone a dramatic reversal. In 2024, 18 Democratic senators backed a measure to block arms sales to the country. In April of this year, it was 40. Polls show about two-thirds of Democratic voters sympathize with Palestinians more than Israelis. And even former White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel — who grew up spending his summers in the country and whose middle name is Israel — has recently begun calling for an end to carte blanche U.S. military aid. “More and more Democrats,” Senator Bernie Sanders told NOTUS last month, are “seeing the light.”

And then there’s Senator John Fetterman. While the rest of his party reluctantly retreats from an ironclad allyship, the Pennsylvania senator has promised to be the “last” Democrat standing with Israel. His political identity is increasingly defined by a blanket defense of the country. Online, Fetterman frequently mocks critics of Israel. In interviews, he has pushed back on claims that Israel’s actions in Gaza constitute genocide. When pro-Palestine protesters came to his home, Fetterman waved an Israeli flag from his roof; asked on Meet the Press about Israel’s pagers attack in Lebanon, which wounded more than 3,000 people and killed 12, the senator said, “I love it.” On May 19, Fetterman was the only Democratic senator to vote against a War Powers Resolution intended to stymie the U.S.-Israel war against Iran. “President Trump has been willing to do what’s right and necessary to produce real peace in the region,” he said when the war began. “God bless the United States, our great military, and Israel,” Fetterman added, as if these elements constitute some kind of geopolitical holy trinity.



By Democratic Party standards, Fetterman’s position on Israel is extreme. There are a multitude of theories as to why: The senator is a contrarian; he enjoys the attention; he has convinced himself that he is indisputably in the right. But people close to Fetterman cite a previously unreported factor too: Behind the scenes, Fetterman is being encouraged and counseled by a little-known man in his late 30s named David “Dovi” Safier. Safier, a writer of Jewish history and fundraiser for Orthodox causes, has no public background in government or counseling politicians on Capitol Hill. He is not an official staffer or paid outside adviser. A few years ago, he “just kind of appeared” in the senator’s orbit, one former Fetterman staffer remembers. And then, suddenly, he seemed to be everywhere. Staffers would walk into Fetterman’s office, only to find Safier sitting in the room. When the senator went to Israel in 2025, Safier joined him on the trip; when Fetterman filmed Real Time With Bill Maher, Safier met up with him in Los Angeles. The two are constantly texting and talking, according to multiple former Fetterman staffers, and Safier has unofficially operated as a top campaign fundraiser and senior adviser. He has even set up and attended sensitive meetings with foreign officials; in some cases, he is the only person staffing those meetings, I’ve been told.

In September 2025, Fetterman and some of his senior staffers gathered at the senator’s office for a meeting with Yechiel Leiter, the Israeli ambassador to the United States. According to one of the staffers in attendance, Safier was inexplicably in the room, too. It was far from a public event. During the meeting, Fetterman tested out a proposal to force every senator to vote on whether they think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. (Leiter and Safier did not consider this a good idea; Fetterman eventually backed off.) Throughout, the two politicians gossiped freely. According to the same staffer, Leiter told Fetterman that he had prodded Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer — despite his fervent support for the state — to be even more helpful to Israel, asking the Jewish politician if he puts blood in his matzo. Fetterman chuckled, the person in attendance said, not “picking up on the gravity of the insult.” (The Israeli Embassy denies the comment. “Ambassador Leiter said to Senator Schumer — as he’s said to other senators and congressmen — that the accusation of starvation in Gaza is no different than medieval blood libels,” the embassy said in a comment.)

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RandomNumbers

(19,359 posts)
26. LCV scorecard: Fetterman 84% lifetime, 80% 2025: McCormick - total zero across the board
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:02 PM
4 hrs ago

LCV = League of Conservation Voters, for those who don't know.

https://www.lcv.org/congressional-scorecard/

https://www.lcv.org/congressional-scorecard/members-of-congress/?sort=state-a-z&active_tab=&chamber=senate&street_address=&zip=&session_year=2025&state=&party=R&last_name=&export-type=moc-listing


Fetterman scores lower than any other Dem in the Senate; BUT I don't see ANY republican listed that even breaks 10%.

I'm an environmental voter first. Environmental destruction has the most widespread impact and causes the most widespread suffering of anything, and is the most preventable if enough humans would just wake the fuck up.




Emile

(44,218 posts)
31. Senator John Fetterman votes with the Democratic party approximately 91% to 93% of the time.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:15 PM
3 hrs ago

According to analyses like CQ Roll Call, he votes along party lines more than 90% of the time, though he has increasingly broken with his caucus on certain key issues, such as foreign policy and voter ID legislation, making him one of the more independent centrist voices in the Senate Democratic caucus. For context, in a CBS News interview, Fetterman himself cited his voting line as roughly 91%.

He ran as a progressive to win his seat, but his voting record is clearly of a centrist.

RandomNumbers

(19,359 posts)
36. PA is a purple state. I'll take a centrist D over a reich-wing R ANY FUCKING DAY. Unlike
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:24 PM
3 hrs ago

(apparently) some folks who post here.

I will gladly vote for someone else in the primary if Fetterman runs again and someone good challenges him in the primary. But if somehow - refer back to PA is a purple state - Fetterman wins the nom again, I guarantee I am voting for him over the Republican.

If centrist Dems took control of the chamber, I think we would all be applauding how they blocked everything Mike Johnson's MAGAT House pushed their way. (or we should be applauding it, anyway)

Emile

(44,218 posts)
39. If the voters in Pennsylvania wanted a centrist,
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:32 PM
3 hrs ago

Fetterman would never had won the primary. He ran as a progressive to win. The voters in Pennsylvania were voting for a left-wing progressive. If we're going to take back the Senate, we need to run to the left, not to the center!

RandomNumbers

(19,359 posts)
48. They wanted someone who they thought stood up for actual people, AND who supported women's rights
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:52 PM
3 hrs ago

Fetterman's leading primary opponent (Conor Lamb) went on record stating that he personally opposes abortion. Many voters find it hard to believe candidates who claim they will support women's rights but then make statements indicating they don't actually understand the concept.

Fetterman had an (apparently myth) good story about his performance as mayor of Braddock.

Fetterman's story + not being anti-women won the primary election. Call that 'progressive' if you like (I would ... and as far as I can tell, at least his stance supporting women's rights has not changed).

But if "progressive" now is equated with "anti-AIPAC" - Fetterman never ran as that.

AZProgressive

(30,117 posts)
73. You are right that Fetterman never ran as anti AIPAC
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:48 PM
2 hrs ago

When Connor Lamb was his opponent he reached out to AIPAC because he was worried they might fund his opponent so he asked them what to say.

That story was well known in Progressive circles and I have to say that was one of the red flags.

Cirsium

(4,256 posts)
88. Surrendering in advance
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 03:44 PM
22 min ago

No state is permanently purple or even red. Basing strategy on what already exists means we will never achieve anything different. It amounts to the support and the promotion of the prevailing conditions masquerading as mere neutral observation of the prevailing conditions.

Excerpt from a speech to the young people of South Africa on their Day of Affirmation in 1966 by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Few are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. And I believe that in this generation those with the courage to enter the moral conflict will find themselves with companions in every corner of the globe.

For the fortunate among us, there is the temptation to follow the easy and familiar paths of personal ambition and financial success so grandly spread before those who enjoy the privilege of education. But that is not the road history has marked out for us. Like it or not, we live in times of danger and uncertainty. But they are also more open to the creative energy of men than any other time in history. All of us will ultimately be judged, and as the years pass we will surely judge ourselves on the effort we have contributed to building a new world society and the extent to which our ideals and goals have shaped that event.

The future does not belong to those who are content with today, apathetic toward common problems and their fellow man alike, timid and fearful in the face of new ideas and bold projects. Rather it will belong to those who can blend vision, reason and courage in a personal commitment to the ideals and great enterprises of American society. Our future may lie beyond our vision, but it is not completely beyond our control. It is the shaping impulse of America that neither fate nor nature nor the irresistible tides of history, but the work of our own hands, matched to reason and principle, that will determine our destiny. There is pride in that, even arrogance, but there is also experience and truth. In any event, it is the only way we can live.

LuvLoogie

(9,071 posts)
61. I'll bet that changes to ZERO percent once he switches
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:22 PM
2 hrs ago

Dude's a quisling. Has he ever been a deciding vote for any democratic position?

Emile

(44,218 posts)
62. That's very possible.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:23 PM
2 hrs ago

If we were sitting at 51 Democrats in the Senate, it might matter. IMO, if he left the party now it probably wouldn't change anything.

Celerity

(55,422 posts)
69. John Fetterman casts the deciding vote against limiting Trump's war in Iran
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:43 PM
2 hrs ago

The Pennsylvania Democrat has voted repeatedly to support the war. With a few Republicans deflecting, it was now the first time his vote was decisive.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/john-fetterman-iran-war-powers-resolution-deciding-vote-20260513.html

https://archive.ph/Eshs0

U.S. Sen. John Fetterman (D., Pa.) on Wednesday cast the deciding vote against the latest effort to limit President Donald Trump’s ability to attack Iran — the seventh such time he’s broken with his party since the war began but the first time that Republican deflections made his vote decisive. The war powers resolution failed 49 to 50 as the Pennsylvanian was the only Democrat to vote with Republicans who control the Senate. Three Republicans — U.S. Sens. Rand Paul, of Kentucky; Susan Collins, of Maine; and Lisa Murkowski, of Alaska — voted with Democrats.

The vote comes less than a week after Fetterman published a column in The Washington Post pushing back on speculation that he may switch parties after a string of high-profile disagreements with fellow Democrats. Fetterman hasn’t wavered in his support for the war that Trump unliterally launched Feb. 28. He’s said repeatedly that the attacks were warranted in order to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon and for dismantling the country’s theocratic regime, though the regime remains in place under new leadership and reports indicate Iran still has military capabilities.

Other Democrats have argued the war is illegal and that it was not spurred by an imminent threat to Americans. They have successfully initiated multiple votes — which any individual lawmaker can do under the 1973 War Powers Act — on resolutions to withdraw U.S. forces from the region. The Senate vote Wednesday was the first since a deadline earlier this month that the 1973 law also indicates should mark the withdrawal of forces unless Congress specifically authorizes the conflict.

Democrats and some Republicans have said the 60-day marker is legally binding, though the president has continued to manage the conflict unimpeded since it passed. Both Murkowski and Collins have previously emphasized the importance of that deadline and voted with Democrats for the first time on Wednesday. Paul has criticized the intervention since it began. Fetterman, meanwhile, has frequently broken with his party in high-profile moments. Still, his votes with Republicans — to end the historic government shutdown last fall or to approve controversial immigration enforcement funding earlier this year — has rarely been a deciding factor in whether or not the issue passes.

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another example:

Homeland Security Nomination (March 2026): In the Senate Homeland Security Committee, Fetterman cast the decisive vote to advance the nomination of Markwayne Mullin as Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. With the Republican committee chairman opposing the nomination, Fetterman's support was vital in sending the pick to the full Senate.



https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/19/politics/john-fetterman-mullin-dhs-vote

Democratic Sen. John Fetterman cast the deciding vote Thursday to advance Markwayne Mullin’s nomination to serve as US Department of Homeland Security secretary, crossing party lines to send President Donald Trump’s nominee to the full Senate for consideration.

He explained in a post on X his decision to join Republicans on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee in backing the Oklahoma Republican senator to replace outgoing DHS Secretary Kristi Noem.



“In January, I called on the president to fire Noem—and he did. I truly approached the confirmation of my colleague and friend, Senator Mullin, with an open-mind,” Fetterman wrote.

“We need a leader at DHS. We must reopen DHS. My AYE is rooted in a strong committed, constructive working relationship with Senator Mullin for our nation’s security,” he continued.

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MadameButterfly

(4,291 posts)
82. He votes with Dems more than 90% of the time and if we win the Senate in midterms
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 02:12 PM
1 hr ago

it will be by a hair. We will need his vote. Like we needed Manchin and Synema. He will have power. He can make threats, like I'll leave the Democratic Party if you stand for this or that, and it will matter. It's maddening that he stood for one thing in elections, and has become something else. Still better than a Republican.

kentuck

(116,151 posts)
11. He's going to leave the Party whatever happens...
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:12 AM
4 hrs ago

From time to time, Democrats fall for these frauds.

unweird

(3,317 posts)
51. Hasn't needed an excuse yet
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:01 PM
3 hrs ago

He could care less about his constituents. Unless they are Israeli. Most of us have felt the ‘Fetterman Fuck You’ for quite a while now.

hlthe2b

(115,279 posts)
16. Hasn't he already (in all but "name") anyway? Enough of his blackmail.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:22 AM
4 hrs ago

He's proven he's no damned Democrat anyway. As to his dedicated support for Israel? Well, "with friends like him," I'd say those most concerned with the future of Israel better look elsewhere. He sure as hell is no friend to Israel.

Damn. Let him fucking leave and at least we won't have to listen to his whining and threats anymore.

karynnj

(61,250 posts)
30. Agreed, but looking at the polls on their upcoming
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:15 PM
3 hrs ago

election is very depressing. In most polls, about 10 of the 160 Knesset seats go to Arab parties. Netanyahu 's bloc includes his party Liked, the 2 far right parties that are headed by Ben Gvir and Smotich, and 2 ultra orthodox parties, in most polls they are less than the 61 needed.

However, the anti-Netanyahu bloc includes some on the right as well. The two largest blocks are one with Bennett and Lapid, where Bennett, a settler has spoken favorably of annexing part of the West Bank and Eisenkot, a former IDF chief of Staff. The other two parties are Avidor Lieberman, who is right wing but antiNetanyahu and a party that named themselves Democrats. The Democrats were formed by a merger of Labor and Meretz. I think this party which polls about 10 seats is the only party even close to DU.

In its best polls, that anti Netanyahu party gets close to 60 seats. However getting to 61 seems difficult as some refuse to even get support from the Arab parties, much less including them.

Note, while I have been following this on Haaretz, I do not understand a lot about Israeli politics. I am amazed how fast their parties come and go. I appreciate it is a much different system than the US.

However, from everything I have read, there is nowhere near enough support for a left or even center left government.

AloeVera

(4,688 posts)
68. There are many myths about Israel.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:41 PM
2 hrs ago

Thank you for this informative post.

One of the myths about Israel currently is that Netanyahu is a blip and the centrists/left-wing has a chance at ousting him. The reality is that right-wing nationalism, support for occupaton/annexation etc are now baked in to Israeli public opinion and have been for a while. This is Israel now and in the future.

Interesting that only 10 Knesset seats out of 160 are allotted for "Arabs" aka Palestinian Citizens of Israel as they prefer to be called. They represent 21% of Israel's population, yet get only 6% of Knesset seats. Doesn't seem very democratic to me.

It's funny to me that the fact "Arabs" are allowed to hold Knesset seats is touted as proof they have equal rights to Israeli Jews - one even is a Supreme Court judge!! - but their under-representation is of course never mentioned.

The other interesting thing is that the Arab parties are never invited the "party". No one, not the right-wing or even centre/left wants them in their coalition. Aside from what this says about how they view the "Arabs" it's certainly a further dilution of their political power, paltry as it already is.

karynnj

(61,250 posts)
77. The 10 seats were the projection of many polls
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:56 PM
2 hrs ago

Part of why it is low is that they have a lower voting rate and one of the Arab parties (balad) falls below the 3.25 percent threshold. It is also possible some vote for non- Arab parties.

There is one other difference. Jews who live in settlements in the West Bank are citizens of Israel and can vote. Palestinians in the West Bank are not citizens unlike Arabs within the green line. No one living in Gaza is a citizen.

If the West Bank is annexed, it will be interesting to see whether Palestinians get Israeli citizenship. If that were the plan, it would be another reason behind many Palestinians being removed from their home areas. It could mean the intention of creating areas they want to annex with low Palestinian populations


Wanderlust988

(803 posts)
21. Israel is and will always be an ally of the US, but we don't have them give them weapons
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:34 AM
4 hrs ago

We should treat them like every ally. We can sell them weapons. Also we don't need to just be handing them billions of dollars. But yes, we keep them as an ally.

karynnj

(61,250 posts)
22. No Democrat has ever denied Israel's right to exist or to defend itself
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:47 AM
4 hrs ago

What is true is tjay some like Mamdani have said they agree to Israel's right to exist as a Democratic state with rights for all. Note this NOT mean they support attacking Israel.

The issue of Israel is as tricky an issue as any I can think of. There is a "connection" to Israel through religion for most Americans. For those of us baby boomers, there is additionally that it was born out of holocaust and was a brave little country fighting to survive. Although I know it wasn't always so, for the entire time I followed politics, Israel has been supported by both parties.

After the horror of October 7th, I doubt anyone was surprised that Israel responded. However when it continued with the ferocity it did and entire parts of Gaza were reduced to rubble and the fighting continued, there came a point where we needed to condition our support. Biden/Harris was attacked by the right as abandoning Israel and by the left because we didn't stop Israel.

There was and is no position that could have pleased everyone. Current calls to stop providing offensive weapons, which is consistent with the Leahy law, is controversial and likely what Fetterman is speaking of, but if it is limited to offensive weapons it is not about Israel defending itself.

The idea that creating a large buffer in Lebanon, razing entire communities and bombing adjacent communities and pushing Trump to join them in a war against Iran are things Netanyahu defines as protecting Israel that are more accurately described as aggressive. From his votes, Fetterman may agree with Netanyahu.

This while many people, who could be described as liberal Zionists (like J Street) that these actions and the expanding settlements in the West Bank have destroyed any possibility of Israel being a democratic Jewish state with equal rights for all.

As to Fetterman, it is only in Presidential elections that parties have platforms. He is up for election in 2028. He might be surprised that neither party will want him. This might not be really about Israel. If he recognizes that he would lose the Democratic party, he might see that his only potential Trump card (pun intended) would be if we win enough Senate seats to have 51 in January 2027. However, no matter what the Republicans promise, I would bet by the time of his primary, he will have a well funded opponent and weak support from the RSC.





La Coliniere

(2,081 posts)
23. Bye Bye Johnny!
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 11:47 AM
4 hrs ago

Go and join the ranks of recent Democrats who continually work against the needs of the Democratic base such as Manchin and Sinema. What an inauthentic freeloader this Keystone crazy has turned out to be.

BluenFLA

(236 posts)
24. This is why we need 5 Dems to win Senate races in order to gain control of the Senate
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:00 PM
4 hrs ago

Fetterman is unreliable. He probably will switch parties soon or right around the elections or keep the Senate Dems hostage like Manchin and Sinema did with threats to leave the party.

Wiz Imp

(10,895 posts)
43. He ain't switching parties.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:39 PM
3 hrs ago

He will not join the Republican Party. Worst case he becomes an independent.

It's amazing to me that so many here don't recognize that 95% of his actions which run counter the the Democratic Party have to do with his unhealthy slavish devotion to Israel, whom he seems to consider more important than the US at this point. I don't understand it since he's not Jewish. Who knows why? It's almost as if he has a mental health issue related to it. Regardless, remove Israel from the equation, and his voting record is super consistent Democratic. If he wants to leave the party due to ISrael, let him. He will not become a Republican.

harumph

(3,552 posts)
27. STROKE OUT M'FER - and this time finish the job.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:03 PM
4 hrs ago

I say this with the understanding that any Democrat THREATENING to leave the party under some kind of policy ultimatum can reasonably be considered to have removed himself from the party. It's WRONG for the politicians to say vote democratic no matter what and then to pull this
one-way-street shit. So if this post gets alerted on - I'll gladly take the hit. But I will appeal, because Fetterman is just spewing bullshit and
he's edging for a way to ditch the party. It's self evident. Despite his appended 'D,' I no longer consider him a Democrat, and I respectfully submit DU shouldn't either. As rare as it is, heavy condemnation should fall on "Democrats" that pull this shit.

Bengus81

(10,632 posts)
28. Does he think he could be a talking head on FOX in his shorts and sweatshirt?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:10 PM
3 hrs ago

Guess again Fetterfuck.........

ashredux

(2,995 posts)
32. The reality is, he already left the party.... He calls himself a Democrat, but he isn't one.... Strange dude...
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:19 PM
3 hrs ago

maxsolomon

(39,477 posts)
34. Israel does exist. It's "right" to is moot.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:23 PM
3 hrs ago

Fetterman apparently believes the most extreme anti-Zionist Progressive positions are those of mainline Democrats.

He's gone binary and lost the ability to see any nuance, gray areas. The stroke made him binary and reactive.

AZProgressive

(30,117 posts)
79. There is a New York Times best selling book
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 02:06 PM
2 hrs ago

about an anti-Zionist Jewish sect titled Here Where We Live Is Our Country: The Story of the Jewish Bund by Molly Crabapple. I haven't read it but in interviews she alleges in the early 20th century the Zionists allied with far right xenophobes which still seems true today.

As far as Democrats most of the mainline Democrats are out of step with most of the party because the polling has flipped on Israel when it comes to Democrats. I hope the mainline Democrats are smart enough not to agree with most of the Netanyahu's far-right regime policies.

Edit: I found a transcript of one of her interviews.

'Here Where We Live Is Our Country' tells the story of a Jewish labor movement (NPR)

(snip)

FADEL: What made it anti-Zionist?

CRABAPPLE: In the start, they felt that Zionism was an extremely silly idea. They did not think that millions of Jews were going to leave their homes in Europe to become collective farmers in the Levant. But after Zionism got the backing of the British Empire with the Balfour Declaration, the Bundists opposed it for another reason, and that was an ethical one. They saw Zionism as a handmaiden of British imperialism. But there is another reason as well. When Bundists saw the racist Polish government screaming Jews to Palestine and then they saw Zionist leaders like Ze'ev Jabotinsky also saying Jews to Palestine, they saw this as submission to their enemies. They saw this as letting bigots win.

https://www.npr.org/2026/04/22/nx-s1-5701403/here-where-we-live-is-our-country-tells-the-story-of-a-jewish-labor-movement

GiqueCee

(5,134 posts)
35. I doubt...
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:23 PM
3 hrs ago

... that anyone ever suggested being anti-Israel, and being anti-Netanyahu can NOT be equated with being anti-Israel, any more than being anti-Trump is being anti-American.

MustLoveBeagles

(18,433 posts)
37. Not one Democrat questions
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:28 PM
3 hrs ago

Isreals right to exist or defend themselves. The retaliation for 10/7 has long ceced to be about self defense and has morphed into revenge and genocide. Not to mention the attacks on Lebanon to land grab. But you knew that already Fetterman. If you want to leave the party, ffs leave just stop the whining and threats. Either shit or get off the pot.

The Wizard

(13,957 posts)
38. What constitutes anti Israel:
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:31 PM
3 hrs ago

failing to provide nuclear weapons? demanding Israel abandon Universal health care? putting Netanyahu on trial? What is the criteria? I'll wait.

Bluetus

(3,365 posts)
44. Exactly. Fetterman should listen to AMERICAN Jews
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:42 PM
3 hrs ago

They are strongly opposed to Netanyahu and the danger he is bringing to every American Jew.

Omnipresent

(7,554 posts)
42. Is that all it takes?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:38 PM
3 hrs ago

I guess voters in Pennsylvania, weren’t made aware of his fickleness towards their needs, when he ran to be Senator.

It’s too bad he can’t be recalled!

Bluetus

(3,365 posts)
46. No matter how it goes, Fetterman is a one-termer.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:44 PM
3 hrs ago

No way he suvives a Dem primary, and the Republicans won't keep him for a second term either.

Grins

(9,607 posts)
47. Up for reelection in 2028. So who is going to run against him?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 12:51 PM
3 hrs ago

2028 is not that far away….

Dave Id

(379 posts)
52. His leaving the Democratic party would be an issue?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:04 PM
3 hrs ago

The race to open the door for Fetterman's exit has begun. No one wants to impede his exit.

William Seger

(12,581 posts)
55. So, he has NO CLUE what Israel's critics are really saying?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:14 PM
2 hrs ago

Or is he deliberately misrepresenting it as being about "Israel's right to exit and defend itself" as hyperbolic rationalization? I can't answer that, but it doesn't really matter, because his opinion no longer matters.

RockRaven

(20,103 posts)
78. It is deliberate.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 02:00 PM
2 hrs ago

Arguing against a straw man of one's own creation is easier than defending his prior indefensible statements and positions. It is a distraction, and a purposeful one.

quakerboy

(14,936 posts)
56. Dont care
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:14 PM
2 hrs ago

I guess if we were sitting at 51 Democrats in the house, his wants might matter. Unless that becomes the case, his opinions are worth less than the toilet paper to write them on.

FHRRK1

(207 posts)
57. Kick his ass out
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:15 PM
2 hrs ago

JFC Schumer, be a damn leader and lead the frauds ass to the door. Strip him of all assignments, make his ass switch.

It’s just a matter of time, strip away his power and send him the the Repuke cesspool.

Donman

(44 posts)
58. So what!
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:18 PM
2 hrs ago

AIPAC is on the list of highly endangered species. Many Americans are sick of the Israeli genocide of innocent Lebanese and Palistinian people. Cut off their funding and let them return to normalcy instead of allowing them to act ike Naxis. As far as Fetterman is concerned just give him a clean pair of shorts and let him put an "R" next to his name. We don"t need to deal with anymore assholes in the Senate.

LudwigPastorius

(15,299 posts)
63. Those things have never been part of the Democratic party's platform, and aren't likely to be any time soon.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:30 PM
2 hrs ago

But, I'm sure Fetterman will find another reason to bolt, especially if we manage to win control of the Senate in November.

DBoon

(25,284 posts)
64. so which party in the Knesset will Fetterman join?
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:34 PM
2 hrs ago

And will he sit next to Jonathan Pollard?

TygrBright

(21,423 posts)
66. Maybe they can do it just long enough to get rid of him, then...
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:37 PM
2 hrs ago

...use the leverage to negotiate with Israel to ditch Binnie and return Gaza to its people.

Win-win!

hopefully,
Bright

rogue emissary

(3,457 posts)
67. Not surprised as he's always been a populace candidate.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:41 PM
2 hrs ago

Now he is going to cost us control of the Senate no matter how well we do in Nov.

PatrickforB

(15,561 posts)
76. I'm having difficulty feeling any sympathy for Fetterman. If I had a more charitable view than I actually do,
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 01:51 PM
2 hrs ago

I would say he's following his own lights in good conscience.

I don't believe that, though. I believe he has become corrupt, and now supports the military industrial complex and thus the war in Iran and by extension the war Israel has been waging. It is interesting how so many progressives are being elected and giving institutionalists in our party a run for their money.

This is because we need REAL change, REAL reform after this Trump coup nightmare is over. Fetterman seems to be on the wrong side of this.

My feeling is that we need to look at what people actually need and build real community at the local and state levels because we will need to as the federal government's financial footprint lessens because of decades of irresponsible tax cuts for billionaires and corporations.

As Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation and a key figure behind the Project 2025 initiative, “We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be".

So there's already a coup in progress. Roberts TOLD US THIS. I think this group may have Fetterman on its string the way he's been talking. Because these little boys in the Military Industrial Complex are roaring! Trump shot off most of our missiles in this war and the MIC be hungry! They are telling Congress what they need to maximize shareholder profits.

blm

(114,851 posts)
81. Being against Netanyahu's maniacal leadership is not anti-Israel.
Thu Jul 2, 2026, 02:11 PM
1 hr ago

It’s the pro-Israel position to end his insane rule over the country.

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