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reACTIONary

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30. For several reasons, and with one exception....
Wed Jun 24, 2026, 03:32 PM
15 hrs ago

First, the reasons. This is "investigative" or "enterprise" journalism. Mind you, this is not Watergate level investigative journalism, and it ain't going to win any Pulitzer prizes, but that is what it is. The administration makes a claim, the administration provides no evidence, they investigate and find that, actually, there is no real evidence, even though there is a minor revelation that was used as a pretext for an exaggerated bullshit claim.

Now why would they go through all this trouble to investigate a bullshit claim that would seem to be almost self evident? That nobody would believe in the first place? Not true. There are plenty of people who will and do believe the bullshit. That is a fact that we are going to have to live with, and are going to have to work against. An article like this erodes and counter-acts this blind faith. Now, does it suddenly cause a revelation on the part of the true believers? Do they slap their forehead and say "My God, I have been deceived?" Do they even read the NYT? No, but informational osmosis propagates it and it erodes blind faith, especially around the edges - those who are skeptical but not yet never Trumpers. And its neutral point of view helps to undermine the allegation that anti-Trumpers are victims of TDS.

So what about the headline itself? It does not scream "Trump Is Bullshitting You... Again." It is more neutral and "non partisan." Hey, the prez says this, and, sure, it is unlikely, but... let's take a look." This is the right approach. It telegraphs the exact opposite of partisanship rancher and any sort of "derangement syndrome." What it telegraphs is "epistemic virtue" - the ethical value of pursuing and adhering to the facts, the evidence, and the truth, wherever it might lead. This is obviously a stance that is at odds with and against the "Trumpian anti-ethos" of grandiose, self serving bullshit. It leads by example. And it will overcome.

If you are familiar with the skeptical community - those who are skeptical of and investigate "anomalous phenomenon," like claims of the supernatural, UFO, psychic abilities, etc. - you may be familiar with this stance. To many skeptics such claims are patently ridiculous, and laughable. However, the stance that is taken is that of epistemic virtue: Let's take a look and see. Let's investigate and find out. This stance conveys a certain amount of respect for the "claimant" and for the truth.

The proper stance in a journalistic enterprise is a certain amount of respect for the "claimant" - in this case, for those that might be inclined to believe based on blind faith - and a great deal of respect for the truth. The headline and the article display both.

NOW for the exception: As HL Mencken has said:

"One horse-laugh is worth ten thousand syllogisms. It is not only more effective; it is also vastly more intelligent".


This is true! And it doesn't exactly comport with the skeptical stance of respect for those who are believers. This is the Andy Borowitz approach, and I approve of it heartily - because I am heartily laughing along with him! The Onion? I love it! Jonathan Swift? You bet!

The difference here is the field of discourse... Satire is a rhetorical device used in the advocacy of a truth, in an amusing and entertaining way, but not for the discovery of the facts that substantiate the truth. It has its value as a weapon, especially for those who are already outside of, or are becoming skeptical of, the blind faith community. But satire is simply not journalism. Journalism requires a different approach. Both have value, but they must both be used appropriately under the circumstances.

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I had the same reaction, Scrivener choie 20 hrs ago #1
Excellently phrased!!! n/t returnee 20 hrs ago #2
Thank you! Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #4
They aren't stupid. Wednesdays 20 hrs ago #3
I agree. But I'm beginning to think it is going to backfire on them. They're doing it to Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #5
Media are owned by oligarchs. usonian 19 hrs ago #6
Yes, but to what end? What is the advantage to them of making the media too stupid to pay any attention to? Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #27
I watch ABC Nightly News ( which has lately become the ABC Nightly Weather Channel for some reason) Ray Bruns 19 hrs ago #7
There is a flip side here. Trump is an attention hog. By not talking about him you undermine his relevancy. flashman13 19 hrs ago #10
There's a paradox relogic 19 hrs ago #13
I agree that there is a paradox here, but I think there is a work around. What needs to happen is to focus flashman13 18 hrs ago #23
The solution is to give him the coverage he's earned BaronChocula 17 hrs ago #25
Yes. Why any outlet pays a White House correspondent under this regime is beyond me. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #28
My husband and I predict the lead story: Tornadoes/weather, airplanes falling out of sky/colliding, shootings, Trump. betsuni 19 hrs ago #11
This is a great headline. I approve of their approach. reACTIONary 19 hrs ago #8
Seriously, I'm asking. Tell me why. Because I just don't understand. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #29
For several reasons, and with one exception.... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #30
I hear you. And thank you for taking the time. But I'm still going to disagree. Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #32
Personally, I think investigating the claim is better... reACTIONary 13 hrs ago #33
We disagree, but I do appreciate the conversation. Be well. Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #35
You also!!! reACTIONary 13 hrs ago #36
Because it's made you forget about Epstein questionseverything 12 hrs ago #37
Not me! Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #38
Well yes, they DO know, but they keep dancing around it FakeNoose 19 hrs ago #9
The media dance the bumbling two-step as well as trump. erronis 19 hrs ago #12
One could argue that the NYT is already useless and basically preaching to the choir. maxsolomon 19 hrs ago #14
Seriously.......... popsdenver 18 hrs ago #15
You.. homegirl 18 hrs ago #17
(NOT!)newsmax is even more propaganda driven than fuxnews. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #18
Sorry, but people vastly overestimate the number of people who watch Fox News Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #22
Thanks! Those are interesting numbers! reACTIONary 13 hrs ago #34
"which went into his cronies' pockets,"...And most probably into his, or his family's pockets. Escurumbele 18 hrs ago #16
The tragedy that people need to understand is the fact that to cover his grift and stupity, Escurumbele 18 hrs ago #19
Right! Raise doubts? yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #20
Every night from 1979 to 1981 BidenRocks 18 hrs ago #21
They're smart people. They know what they're doing. Politicub 18 hrs ago #24
;-{) THIS Goonch 17 hrs ago #26
Now they cater to the few Magats reading their crap mdbl 14 hrs ago #31
They probably couldn't afford to send a real reporter so they paid Maggie to write something that would not cause Trump 3Hotdogs 11 hrs ago #39
"Being useless" is, in fact, useful to some. hay rick 9 hrs ago #40
So your problem is evidence? iemanja 7 hrs ago #41
Do you really need to see those internal documents to Scrivener7 1 min ago #43
For many years, I used to believe that journalism should present facts and let the reader decide. SouthBayDem 5 hrs ago #42
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