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139. It feels sorta like John Paul II v Moscow, 2.0

Thu Apr 9, 2026, 02:07 PM

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In the Soviet Union’s waning years, John Paul II was an obstacle of frustration to Moscow, particularly because he threatened Soviet control at the level of legitimacy, belief, and public courage, which are difficult for coercive systems to suppress permanently.

Mr. trump should take historical note (with a crayon, of course)

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WTF. mercuryblues Wednesday #1

Well there goes Italy malaise Wednesday #6

And all the Catholics of the world BonnieJW Wednesday #45

the anti catholicism of these maga know nothings is in their dna. rampartd Wednesday #106

And much of Latin America. Wednesdays Wednesday #102

Much of Western Europe... r�is�n_dubh Yesterday #110

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Who says we'd even want to go to such an - um - "event"? calimary Wednesday #70

You must have grown up in a different era than I did. Ms. Toad Wednesday #76

I dated a Jewish girl in high school and went to synagogue with her family a couple of times. flashman13 Wednesday #85

The rest of us were all friendly and had a good time at each other's churches. Ms. Toad Wednesday #92

I can vouch for that. Wednesdays Wednesday #96

Yep. Catholic here. Oh boy did we obey. calimary Yesterday #112

I have a different memory of those formative years FakeNoose Yesterday #129

Maybe it was regional, Ms. Toad Yesterday #130

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They're in league with the antiChrist B.See Wednesday #91

Another regime change scheme? Marcuse Wednesday #95

Trump would do as Henry VIII did if he thought he could get away with it. hunter Yesterday #119

That wouldn't have happened if Henry had been allowed to divorce his first wife FakeNoose Yesterday #133

So is Trump going to bomb the Vatican? SunSeeker Wednesday #2

It's definitely an implied threat. ananda Wednesday #35

He has two brothers in Florida and Illinois but no children. Marcuse Yesterday #140

And, does he want to move the seat of the papacy to the White House? ananda Wednesday #38

Wonder what Catholic convert JD Vance thinks of all that... SunSeeker Wednesday #93

don't give him any ideas plz vapor2 Wednesday #59

I hope the fucking Catholics that voted for the tsf BlueKota Wednesday #3

Those Catholics hate their Pope. Other Catholics love their Pope. mucifer Wednesday #5

But do they love Whiskey Pete going all "30 Years War" at the Pentagon? paleotn Wednesday #14

Many of them like Whiskey Pete BlueKota Wednesday #37

Exactly! ybbor Wednesday #25

I really admire this Pope. BlueKota Wednesday #32

Not raised Catholic, but I'm definitely impressed with Leo. ShazzieB Wednesday #49

I was raised Catholic too. Dulcinea Wednesday #77

I agree. These two most recent Popes to me represent BlueKota Wednesday #82

I agree. As a recovering ex Catholic I do like.. yourout Wednesday #103

That is good that your wife's church is inclusive. BlueKota Yesterday #136

Popes Leo and Francis are truly "modern" men of this century FakeNoose Yesterday #131

Trumpist Conservative Catholics will never hear about this incident. maxsolomon Wednesday #8

Not a chance. I'd have probably never heard of it without DU underpants Wednesday #33

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yeppers - got some friends like that rurallib Wednesday #29

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I wonder how many he paid for over the years. n/t SheilaAnn Wednesday #63

Right? ShazzieB Wednesday #67

They don't even care if he believes JBTaurus83 Wednesday #105

Do they know how many abortions OhioBack2Blue Wednesday #66

Indeed, the Bible says nothing about abortion, except for a how-to. Wednesdays Wednesday #98

I gotcha beat, I think... slightlv Wednesday #71

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+1 area51 Wednesday #109

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TSF and crew had better get ready for some smiting. Sneederbunk Wednesday #4

Guess they really don't like Leo's public statements wnylib Wednesday #7

This was January so they must really be pissed with his comments malaise Wednesday #9

Thats probably why hes been making them, Chicago Pope cares more about the Cubs than he does their threats lol. Volaris Wednesday #52

Agree malaise Wednesday #56

I can't help but being afraid for his safety MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #36

Dear Goddess, these people are beyond deranged and dangerous. niyad Wednesday #10

I just caught the tail end of her segment before the break..what's going on? I need to read up on the Avignon Papacy Deuxcents Wednesday #11

need to read up on the Avignon Papacy malaise Wednesday #15

Avignon Papacy, in a nutshell: Wednesdays Wednesday #99

Omg what a manipulative bunch of degenerates. Passages Wednesday #12

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There's an almost full bingo card of pissed off religious groups that tsf is about to complete. rubbersole Wednesday #16

Colby is NOT . . . AverageOldGuy Wednesday #17

He is a nepo baby, a grandson of one-time CIA head William Colby. n/t valleyrogue Wednesday #108

Nepo Borgia baby yorkster Yesterday #114

If only there were some super secret Vatican police force PuraVidaDreamin Wednesday #18

The church has had or does have secret people who can take care of a situation that you're alluding to. Trueblue1968 Wednesday #86

The Avignon Papacy AverageOldGuy Wednesday #19

Thanks..got to reading this history, too. I'm wondering just why the pentagon is bringing this up now Deuxcents Wednesday #21

Thank you AverageOldGuy malaise Wednesday #22

Thanks MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #41

And now: Recently-converted Catholic JD Vance says he will "look into the report" AverageOldGuy Wednesday #20

Well, this just answered my question..thanks Deuxcents Wednesday #23

He has a pre-campaign book out. It has a church on the cover. underpants Wednesday #47

A church he had never even been in, much less attended. niyad Wednesday #62

A church that's not even Roman Catholic. nt Wednesdays Wednesday #101

He looks like a young Jonathan Winters. llmart Wednesday #74

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Smug, smackable face dedl67 Yesterday #142

How long until VD Jance renounces Catholicism & goes full fundie? Dulcinea Wednesday #83

Makes sense to me... littlemissmartypants Wednesday #24

Going to war with the Pope. Irish_Dem Wednesday #26

Steve Bannon's wet dream no_hypocrisy Wednesday #28

They had a "fourteenth-century weapon" handy? underpants Wednesday #30

Thanks for the info MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #43

I think it's long past due to excommunicate many of these right-wing fascist Catholics in America. Crowman2009 Wednesday #31

Like that will scare him. Bob doesn't strike me as the type to suffer fools. He also strikes me as the type Scrivener7 Wednesday #34

The forces of darkness have thrown down the gauntlet. patphil Wednesday #39

Jeezus. Impeach him! Joinfortmill Wednesday #40

Well, that's some crazy shit right there. MerryBlooms Wednesday #42

Say what? Cirsium Wednesday #44

Welp, for those who thought this administration left the rails and went full wackaloon in the last few weeks, Emrys Wednesday #46

Yup. God help us all!! blue-wave Wednesday #50

I mean, would you look at that upholstery: Emrys Wednesday #58

Jay Dee would blue-wave Wednesday #72

How many American Cardinals blue-wave Wednesday #48

I'm confident there will be not a word of this on EWTN DBoon Wednesday #53

The Avignon Papacy could be second pope Buzz cook Wednesday #54

Well, it's high time the Antipope put in an appearance Emrys Wednesday #65

Kick! red dog 1 Wednesday #57

Didn't the Pope snub Vance on his last visit? vapor2 Wednesday #60

Yes malaise Wednesday #64

So now Trump is going to bomb the Vatican? DFW Wednesday #61

Another link malaise Wednesday #79

Not bomb, but send some undercover assassins. Wednesdays 51 min ago #146

To match the elbow-bending tendencies of Pete Hegseth, Mblaze Wednesday #68

They are all drunk on power. Figarosmom Wednesday #69

Pentagon Threatened the Pope After He Criticized Trump LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #73

Good link malaise Wednesday #75

Remember when Trump dressed up as the Pope? delisen Wednesday #78

THIS malaise Wednesday #80

Trump did not "dress up as the Pope" Wiz Imp Yesterday #144

Well, I thought they were all devout Christians.....nope it's all cosplay. spanone Wednesday #81

The best news is that the pope malaise Wednesday #87

Six of the current Nine Supreme Court Justices are Catholic. mackdaddy Wednesday #88

How many of those six are Opus Dei? Wednesdays Wednesday #104

Indeed. calimary Yesterday #141

Omg BlueWaveNeverEnd Wednesday #89

NAZI diplomacy, but not so classy. Kid Berwyn Wednesday #94

I can't believe this. The Trump Administration doesn't know that much history. n/t malthaussen Wednesday #97

I think trump just wants KT2000 Wednesday #100

This is outrageously insane even for the Trump administration. valleyrogue Wednesday #107

Post removed Post removed Yesterday #111

I believe that Mierda47 has secured a seat in hell. n/t aggiesal Yesterday #113

I want earthly punishment malaise Yesterday #115

I want both. n/t aggiesal Yesterday #123

LOL malaise Yesterday #124

an under secretary "summons" an ambassador? and not at the state dept?/ rampartd Yesterday #116

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These people are fucking crazy. This is Steven Miller the whole way. BradBo Yesterday #121

Or Bannon malaise Yesterday #122

Holy crap! PatSeg Yesterday #125

Yep malaise Yesterday #126

This is the kind of evil and madness PatSeg Yesterday #143

How many divisions does the Pope have?-Josef Stalin CanonRay Yesterday #127

You are correct malaise Yesterday #132

Trumps reply.. Playingmantis Yesterday #128

Threatening the Pope maliaSmith Yesterday #134

And those same morons that call themselves Catholic and voted for the Orange Potato and GOP congress mdbl Yesterday #137

Look at who Kegbreath's pastor is. This pretty much explains it all. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Yesterday #138

It feels sorta like John Paul II v Moscow, 2.0 Torchlight Yesterday #139

Out of control maniacs with unlimited power at their fingertips. Martin68 Yesterday #145