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In reply to the discussion: Oh My! The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador With the Avignon Papacy [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(180,213 posts)73. Pentagon Threatened the Pope After He Criticized Trump
It was so bad that Pope Leo changed his plans to travel to the U.S.
This thin-skinned mafia administration is insane.
— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@mrsbettybowers.bsky.social) 2026-04-08T22:50:43.514Z
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Relations between the U.S. and the Catholic Church have not been the same since January, when senior U.S. defense officials shared an abrasive message with a Vatican official.
Days after Pope Leo XIV delivered his State of the World speech, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, the Vaticans U.S. representative, to a closed-door Pentagon meeting for a bitter lecture.
The United States, Colby said, according to a blistering new report by The Free Press, has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.
One U.S. official present at the meeting brought up the Avignon papacy, a period in the 14th century in which the French monarchy bent the Catholic Church into submission, ordering an attack on Pope Boniface VIII that led to his downfall and subsequent death and forcing the papacy to relocate from Rome to Avignon, a region inside France......
The Vatican was so alarmed by the Pentagons warning that Pope Leo cancelled his plans to visit the U.S. later in the year, reported Hale, who noted that many in the Vatican saw the Pentagons reference to an Avignon papacy as a threat to use military force against the Holy See.
Tensions had not been mended by February, when the Holy See rejected the White Houses invitation to host Pope Leothe religious orders first U.S.-born pontifffor Americas 250th anniversary in July. Instead, the Catholic leader has arranged to visit a very different locale on July 4: Lampedusa, a tiny island between Tunisia and Sicily where North African immigrants wash ashore by the thousands
Days after Pope Leo XIV delivered his State of the World speech, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, the Vaticans U.S. representative, to a closed-door Pentagon meeting for a bitter lecture.
The United States, Colby said, according to a blistering new report by The Free Press, has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.
One U.S. official present at the meeting brought up the Avignon papacy, a period in the 14th century in which the French monarchy bent the Catholic Church into submission, ordering an attack on Pope Boniface VIII that led to his downfall and subsequent death and forcing the papacy to relocate from Rome to Avignon, a region inside France......
The Vatican was so alarmed by the Pentagons warning that Pope Leo cancelled his plans to visit the U.S. later in the year, reported Hale, who noted that many in the Vatican saw the Pentagons reference to an Avignon papacy as a threat to use military force against the Holy See.
Tensions had not been mended by February, when the Holy See rejected the White Houses invitation to host Pope Leothe religious orders first U.S.-born pontifffor Americas 250th anniversary in July. Instead, the Catholic leader has arranged to visit a very different locale on July 4: Lampedusa, a tiny island between Tunisia and Sicily where North African immigrants wash ashore by the thousands
Hegseth is a religious nut case who believes that G-d is supporting trump's war and military actions. I note that Hegseth excluded Catholics from Good Friday religious events. See https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221145488 If nothing else, Hegseth's actions/statements and the attack on the Pope violate the basic fundamental precepts of the separation of church and state.
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Oh My! The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador With the Avignon Papacy [View all]
malaise
4 hrs ago
OP
To the right wing Evangelicals, the pope is the devil incarnate and Catholicism is an abomination.
flashman13
2 hrs ago
#55
I dated a Jewish girl in high school and went to synagogue with her family a couple of times.
flashman13
1 hr ago
#85
The rest of us were all friendly and had a good time at each other's churches.
Ms. Toad
33 min ago
#92
I guess the point is that it was made clear they wren't invited. I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound very christian.
flashman13
1 hr ago
#84
Yah, my whole damn family voted for the orange piece of shit BECAUSE OF HIS ABORTION STANCE!!!!!!
a kennedy
3 hrs ago
#27
Thats probably why hes been making them, Chicago Pope cares more about the Cubs than he does their threats lol.
Volaris
2 hrs ago
#52
I just caught the tail end of her segment before the break..what's going on? I need to read up on the Avignon Papacy
Deuxcents
4 hrs ago
#11
There's an almost full bingo card of pissed off religious groups that tsf is about to complete.
rubbersole
4 hrs ago
#16
The church has had or does have secret people who can take care of a situation that you're alluding to.
Trueblue1968
1 hr ago
#86
Thanks..got to reading this history, too. I'm wondering just why the pentagon is bringing this up now
Deuxcents
3 hrs ago
#21
And now: Recently-converted Catholic JD Vance says he will "look into the report"
AverageOldGuy
3 hrs ago
#20
I think it's long past due to excommunicate many of these right-wing fascist Catholics in America.
Crowman2009
3 hrs ago
#31
Like that will scare him. Bob doesn't strike me as the type to suffer fools. He also strikes me as the type
Scrivener7
3 hrs ago
#34