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betsuni

(28,742 posts)
28. Fascinating election, should be far more studies about it. A perfect storm of mis/disinformation and other things.
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 02:32 AM
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Mild-mannered Midwestern Methodist ("do all the good you can" ) whose career was helping people, first person you'd call if you needed help and the person who'd call you because she heard about a problem (like the Flint, Michigan water crisis), became so many different monsters depending on what propaganda you were targeted with and believed.

Susan Bordo (who thanks CNN's Jeffrey Toobin for being the only one publicly apologizing in 2018 for his role in the false equivalence):

"Yes, we have to 'move on' -- if that means we need to work on creating a better future. But if it means we should stop dissecting, analyzing, and critiquing how the disaster of 2016 happened, I don't agree. The fact is we should be 'relitigating' the past all the time. It's called examining history. It's called exposing mythology and unearthing truth. It's called speaking truth to the power that was -- and that still, unfortunately, is"

If examining history makes one upset and lash out... Better to deal with it so it doesn't happen again. Next election will deal with same problems, Democrats attacked from all directions and people gullibly believing it.

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This is Democratic Underground. milestogo Friday #1
Oh no, my post was not directed toward anybody here on DU; MIButterfly Friday #4
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Saturday #10
Then why are you posting it here...? regnaD kciN Saturday #26
That's how I interpreted it, too. intheflow Saturday #40
Please see my responses #4 and #19. My comment was not directed to anyone here at DU. MIButterfly Saturday #61
They say a hit dog will holler. W_HAMILTON Saturday #64
Sadly, I find myself often having to defend Democrats against bullshit attacks here. W_HAMILTON Saturday #15
Does that include orangecrush Saturday #42
Sanders's good buddy? I defend the Democratic Party as a whole and don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. W_HAMILTON Saturday #47
He is my Senator orangecrush Saturday #49
Time is limited and every minute you spend attacking Democrats is a minute Republicans thank you for your service. W_HAMILTON Saturday #50
Criticism and attacking orangecrush Saturday #53
Criticizing is disagreeing on an issue or policy SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #60
When one seems to spend all their time criticizing, it sure seems like attacking. W_HAMILTON Saturday #63
I'm trying to figure out what it is that you are doing with this minute and who it is helping most. Ilikepurple Yesterday #88
Self Righteously lecturing others on how to act would also waste an equal amount of time SunImp Saturday #66
You think it's a waste of time trying to get people to focus on our real enemy rather than our imperfect allies? W_HAMILTON Saturday #83
Some of the people that need to realign and focus mr715 Yesterday #95
There used to be some 'Democrats' here, that weren't. sheshe2 Saturday #16
And didn't that site eventually crash and burn? W_HAMILTON Saturday #27
Best evidence the site had nothing to do with progressive policy or progress of any kind: Elizabeth Warren. betsuni Saturday #33
Yep! W_HAMILTON Saturday #37
That site was funded by Putin as one part of the 2016 disinformation campaign. yardwork Saturday #39
Woah. Waaaay before I ever got here.. electric_blue68 23 hrs ago #115
Yes indeed, it crashed and burned, sheshe2 Saturday #48
You would be wrong awesomerwb1 Saturday #82
There used to be plenty of them DFW Yesterday #91
Nicest thing I ever saw anyone say about Hillary there was in an "esoteric theories" thread about Seth Rich: betsuni Yesterday #98
lol, it's been awhile since anyone here has reproached people who didn't like Hillary Shellback Squid Friday #2
It does go back to 2016. MIButterfly Friday #5
I agree that the world would be in a different place karynnj Saturday #52
And it does go beyond "well I voted for her in the General Election" RandomNumbers Saturday #55
I would rather see articles that Kamala won, gab13by13 Friday #3
This! Hope22 Saturday #30
Since no one can oversee the inner workings of the computers questionseverything Saturday #81
This again? Intractable Friday #6
Yes. Cha Saturday #20
Thank you, Cha! MIButterfly Saturday #22
No Problem... We need to learn from Cha Saturday #24
How many people here do you think refused to vote for Hillary? iemanja Friday #7
Well...a lot of them went to JPR (Jack Pine Radicals). sheshe2 Saturday #18
Out of curiosity.. Hope22 Saturday #31
Nope. Crashed. Burned. Died. sheshe2 Saturday #51
Thanks...nt Hope22 Saturday #58
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Saturday #32
I wasn't talking about the people here. MIButterfly Saturday #19
I know there were some Skittles Saturday #72
I don't think a guilt trip helps people change. usonian Friday #8
It looks like some people can't let go of old battles SunImp Saturday #11
There were and are massive disinformation campaigns, and largely by bots. usonian Saturday #14
Those who fail from history SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #38
It's sad but we cannot change the past BoycottTwitter Saturday #9
Thank you, BoycottTwitter, for your very reasoned and reasonable response. MIButterfly Saturday #17
But We Can Work For a Better Future.. and Cha Saturday #21
I'm really glad that we'll have really good candidates in 2028 thought crime Saturday #12
One of the biggest missed opportunities of the 21st century. nt yaesu Saturday #13
Just watched on tubi Blind faith kimbutgar Saturday #23
Hillary had Putin's number. BurnDoubt Saturday #25
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Saturday #29
Fascinating election, should be far more studies about it. A perfect storm of mis/disinformation and other things. betsuni Saturday #28
I see a part of that as an evaluation of what didn't with with letting Shrub Jr and co off the hook. RockCreek Yesterday #101
So people decided Trump was the way to go? Squeaky clean morally and ethically pure fight the power Trump? betsuni Yesterday #112
Never saw that on DU RandiFan1290 Saturday #34
I would go back even further to 2000 Ghost of Tom Joad Saturday #35
Green Candidate Jill Stein SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #36
The Russian asset, Jill Stein, The Wizard Saturday #56
Ah yes, the "conscience voters" mcar Saturday #41
They weren't voting their conscience SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #45
That is 100% correct mcar Saturday #46
Whatever happened to all them Bernie Bros? GusBob Saturday #43
oh they are still around Skittles Saturday #73
I stood in line for 2 hours in freezing cold orangecrush Saturday #44
Criticism and support are complementary nt mr715 Saturday #70
I often think about this. pandr32 Saturday #54
I can't think of a more irrelevant discussion to have -- 10 years later. Duncan Grant Saturday #57
Those who fail to learn from history SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #59
And mr715 Saturday #74
Very true SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #76
We disagree sometimes mr715 Saturday #79
In any organization SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #80
Well, except where orthodoxy is required mr715 Saturday #84
Amen. Xavier Breath Saturday #65
In past threads like this SunImp Saturday #67
They do it to distract and divide us questionseverything Saturday #78
Distract from what? betsuni Yesterday #89
100% The people who line up with SS tRump need to stop hiding their shame and own this. ffr Saturday #62
Part of it had nothing to do with Hillary Tree Lady Saturday #68
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Saturday #69
Wasn't anybody I knew Tree Lady Saturday #86
Young men have it all. mr715 Yesterday #93
That is not true for my grandson Tree Lady Yesterday #100
This is complicated mr715 Yesterday #103
Thanks for the reply Tree Lady Yesterday #106
It ain't easy being the good guys in a broken world. nt mr715 Yesterday #107
In part mr715 Saturday #75
He still says the same things he has Tree Lady Saturday #87
How Bernie was treated -- does that mean when he was booed at the convention by his own delegates for endorsing betsuni Yesterday #90
That really was gross nt mr715 Yesterday #92
they don't care Skittles Saturday #71
IKR? So many seem to think a Democrat has to match them on Every. Single. Issue. to "earn" their vote. Beartracks Saturday #77
I speak for myself. mr715 Yesterday #96
Trump is an idiot PJMcK Saturday #85
How about Nixon? Kid Berwyn Yesterday #94
It is misogyny... Bettie Yesterday #97
This post is not appropriate or helpful Grim Chieftain Yesterday #99
I'm sorry you feel that way. MIButterfly Yesterday #102
But you are dredging up past divisions - just read the comments. Grim Chieftain Yesterday #105
What do you want from me? MIButterfly Yesterday #109
Unity Grim Chieftain Yesterday #110
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave 23 hrs ago #116
I'm the opposite of a Triple Trumper AZProgressive Yesterday #104
Hillary and Kamala tried to warn you LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #108
Or Kamala Harris. tblue37 Yesterday #111
I'm fine with calling out Stein voters biocube Yesterday #113
"By 2014 ... a New York Times/CBS poll found that 82% of Democrats favored Clinton over both Joe Biden betsuni 22 hrs ago #117
Check any news source from 2016... biocube 13 hrs ago #119
That was the direct result of attacks against her. Started high, slowly decreased over time. betsuni 13 hrs ago #120
I believe The Bopper Yesterday #114
I've always wondered that had she been elected, what Presidents would have followed her? Polybius 18 hrs ago #118
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