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Irish_Dem

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63. I thought it was questionable when it happened.

Wed Dec 24, 2025, 11:52 AM

17 hrs ago

Especially when Trump dumped her in a grave on one of his golf courses.

But yes, more info is coming out about her role in the pedo ring.

The autopsy said blunt force trauma to her torso was cause of death.
How hard do you have to fall to cause that kind of damage and death?

Maybe it is all legit, but we at least have to ask the question especially in
light of some of the recent reports.

Yes YD it never stops.
The depravity has no bottom.

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I am beginning to believe that Epstein was murdered... [View all] kentuck Tuesday OP

Some of us have suspected this from day one. Irish_Dem Tuesday #1

His brother believes he was murdered. kentuck Tuesday #2

We know it is at least 50/50 probability. Irish_Dem Tuesday #9

Bill Barr would know. travelingthrulife 16 hrs ago #64

Exactly. And Epstein had many secrets about the Barr family. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #72

I assumed from the start it was murder buzzycrumbhunger Tuesday #7

I have never thought he committed suicide. yellow dahlia Tuesday #38

Yes and yes. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #47

Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #50

I hadn't known about Ivana's death being suspicious yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #62

I thought it was questionable when it happened. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #63

I didn't know about Ivana's involvement MustLoveBeagles 16 hrs ago #65

I read it here on DU. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #68

I've been suspicious all along, also. Prof. Toru Tanaka 13 hrs ago #70

Guards went AWOL. Video machine didn't work or video is missing. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #73

the guards asleep the same time? or put to sleep after drinking something. will never know. CarolinaNC 11 hrs ago #82

His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out..... FadedMullet Tuesday #3

Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with RockRaven Tuesday #4

Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison? kentuck Tuesday #5

No proof of that specifically AZJonnie Tuesday #11

Coincidences... 2naSalit Tuesday #6

Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright Joinfortmill Tuesday #19

Wow, so much out there in the open. Journalism is dead. still-prayin4rain 12 hrs ago #76

And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre.... Pachamama Tuesday #8

Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO AZJonnie Tuesday #14

A lot of suicides. yellow dahlia Tuesday #39

Or out of a window in Moscow. NT Bohunk68 22 hrs ago #51

Epstein didn't kill himself. flvegan Tuesday #10

I saw a joke story this morning catchnrelease Tuesday #13

LOL, that's good. flvegan Tuesday #32

I absolutely agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #45

I totally believe this. Scrivener7 Tuesday #12

he hung himself with a paper sheet ? Nigrum Cattus Tuesday #15

That whole two guards fell asleep fujiyamasan Tuesday #34

And the video cameras stopped working at the same time. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #49

Yeah, a lot of convenient coincidences. Dave Bowman 12 hrs ago #77

Coincidences take a lot of planning. Irish_Dem 12 hrs ago #79

I've always believed he was murdered. nt Raine Tuesday #16

Me, too. Joinfortmill Tuesday #17

LOL Skittles Tuesday #18

Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself ashredux Tuesday #20

And a mark from hanging would be under the chin, not near the collar bone. Trueblue Texan 10 hrs ago #89

Thinking the same, Kentuck. OAITW r.2.0 Tuesday #21

I never had a doubt. tavernier Tuesday #22

Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is..... paleotn Tuesday #23

Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake. EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #24

Do we trust this FBI? mwooldri Tuesday #26

I trust them to do something sleazy. GoCubsGo 21 hrs ago #55

Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel? fujiyamasan Tuesday #35

Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time wolfie001 Tuesday #25

Beginning? nt BWdem4life Tuesday #27

Trump acts like a mafia godfather. Emile Tuesday #28

Never believed Epstein committed suicide Picaro Tuesday #29

Yup. yellow dahlia Tuesday #41

I have suspected this all along. evolves Tuesday #30

I've not doubted it for a second relayerbob Tuesday #31

Is water wet? usonian Tuesday #33

It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/ Bev54 Tuesday #36

I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not stopdiggin Tuesday #42

I have been pretty convinced it was a hit - TBF Tuesday #37

I always thought it went something like this. Iggo Tuesday #40

Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician. pacalo Tuesday #43

I never thought he killed himself. He Luciferous Tuesday #44

His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide. GoodRaisin Yesterday #46

K&R spanone 22 hrs ago #48

Duh! malaise 21 hrs ago #53

🤣 spanone 21 hrs ago #54

I'm no FBI investigator, but... Mike Nelson 22 hrs ago #52

Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #58

Agreed... Mike Nelson 20 hrs ago #59

Definitely! Magnitudes more important if you believe it wasn't him. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #61

I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders Orrex 21 hrs ago #56

... Prairie Gates 20 hrs ago #57

If that's true we will find out... unless only one person orchestrated the whole thing. JohnnyRingo 19 hrs ago #60

Epstein did not commit suicide LetMyPeopleVote 15 hrs ago #66

A lot of us thought so from the beginning. Sure got called lots of names though. Crunchy Frog 15 hrs ago #67

While there is lot of craziness around Epstein's death, I think he had plenty of reasons to kill himself Buckeyeblue 15 hrs ago #69

I didn't believe it was suicide TommieMommy 13 hrs ago #71

Pretty sure you are right. Linda ladeewolf 12 hrs ago #74

Yes, he was murdered. Kind of like telling your heirs you are changing your will the next morning. Scalded Nun 12 hrs ago #75

I found this whole thing fishy from the start. Dave Bowman 12 hrs ago #78

A few b/4 Epstein was getting ready to name names. CarolinaNC 12 hrs ago #80

a few weeks b/4 CarolinaNC 11 hrs ago #81

Epstein had the goods on many, including TACO Don. ProudMNDemocrat 11 hrs ago #83

Good Morning! Akakoji 11 hrs ago #84

Epstein's demise was probably part of a clean-up operation. Aussie105 10 hrs ago #85

I've ALWAYS believed it. B.See 10 hrs ago #86

Im convinced of that. OLDMDDEM 10 hrs ago #87

If you saw the photos of the crime scene, there would be no doubt in your mind he was murdered. Trueblue Texan 10 hrs ago #88