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31. I've not doubted it for a second

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Tue Dec 23, 2025, 09:17 PM

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I am beginning to believe that Epstein was murdered... [View all] kentuck Yesterday OP

Some of us have suspected this from day one. Irish_Dem Yesterday #1

His brother believes he was murdered. kentuck Yesterday #2

We know it is at least 50/50 probability. Irish_Dem Yesterday #9

Bill Barr would know. travelingthrulife 9 hrs ago #64

Exactly. And Epstein had many secrets about the Barr family. Irish_Dem 5 hrs ago #72

I assumed from the start it was murder buzzycrumbhunger Yesterday #7

I have never thought he committed suicide. yellow dahlia Yesterday #38

Yes and yes. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #47

Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #50

I hadn't known about Ivana's death being suspicious yellow dahlia 10 hrs ago #62

I thought it was questionable when it happened. Irish_Dem 10 hrs ago #63

I didn't know about Ivana's involvement MustLoveBeagles 9 hrs ago #65

I read it here on DU. Irish_Dem 8 hrs ago #68

I've been suspicious all along, also. Prof. Toru Tanaka 6 hrs ago #70

Guards went AWOL. Video machine didn't work or video is missing. Irish_Dem 5 hrs ago #73

the guards asleep the same time? or put to sleep after drinking something. will never know. CarolinaNC 4 hrs ago #82

His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out..... FadedMullet Yesterday #3

Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with RockRaven Yesterday #4

Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison? kentuck Yesterday #5

No proof of that specifically AZJonnie Yesterday #11

Coincidences... 2naSalit Yesterday #6

Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright Joinfortmill Yesterday #19

Wow, so much out there in the open. Journalism is dead. still-prayin4rain 5 hrs ago #76

And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre.... Pachamama Yesterday #8

Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO AZJonnie Yesterday #14

A lot of suicides. yellow dahlia Yesterday #39

Or out of a window in Moscow. NT Bohunk68 15 hrs ago #51

Epstein didn't kill himself. flvegan Yesterday #10

I saw a joke story this morning catchnrelease Yesterday #13

LOL, that's good. flvegan Yesterday #32

I absolutely agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat 22 hrs ago #45

I totally believe this. Scrivener7 Yesterday #12

he hung himself with a paper sheet ? Nigrum Cattus Yesterday #15

That whole two guards fell asleep fujiyamasan Yesterday #34

And the video cameras stopped working at the same time. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #49

Yeah, a lot of convenient coincidences. Dave Bowman 4 hrs ago #77

Coincidences take a lot of planning. Irish_Dem 4 hrs ago #79

I've always believed he was murdered. nt Raine Yesterday #16

Me, too. Joinfortmill Yesterday #17

LOL Skittles Yesterday #18

Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself ashredux Yesterday #20

And a mark from hanging would be under the chin, not near the collar bone. Trueblue Texan 3 hrs ago #89

Thinking the same, Kentuck. OAITW r.2.0 Yesterday #21

I never had a doubt. tavernier Yesterday #22

Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is..... paleotn Yesterday #23

Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake. EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #24

Do we trust this FBI? mwooldri Yesterday #26

I trust them to do something sleazy. GoCubsGo 13 hrs ago #55

Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel? fujiyamasan Yesterday #35

Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time wolfie001 Yesterday #25

Beginning? nt BWdem4life Yesterday #27

Trump acts like a mafia godfather. Emile Yesterday #28

Never believed Epstein committed suicide Picaro Yesterday #29

Yup. yellow dahlia Yesterday #41

I have suspected this all along. evolves Yesterday #30

I've not doubted it for a second relayerbob Yesterday #31

Is water wet? usonian Yesterday #33

It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/ Bev54 Yesterday #36

I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not stopdiggin 23 hrs ago #42

I have been pretty convinced it was a hit - TBF Yesterday #37

I always thought it went something like this. Iggo Yesterday #40

Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician. pacalo 22 hrs ago #43

I never thought he killed himself. He Luciferous 22 hrs ago #44

His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide. GoodRaisin 19 hrs ago #46

K&R spanone 15 hrs ago #48

Duh! malaise 14 hrs ago #53

🤣 spanone 14 hrs ago #54

I'm no FBI investigator, but... Mike Nelson 14 hrs ago #52

Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #58

Agreed... Mike Nelson 13 hrs ago #59

Definitely! Magnitudes more important if you believe it wasn't him. Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #61

I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders Orrex 13 hrs ago #56

... Prairie Gates 13 hrs ago #57

If that's true we will find out... unless only one person orchestrated the whole thing. JohnnyRingo 12 hrs ago #60

Epstein did not commit suicide LetMyPeopleVote 8 hrs ago #66

A lot of us thought so from the beginning. Sure got called lots of names though. Crunchy Frog 8 hrs ago #67

While there is lot of craziness around Epstein's death, I think he had plenty of reasons to kill himself Buckeyeblue 7 hrs ago #69

I didn't believe it was suicide TommieMommy 5 hrs ago #71

Pretty sure you are right. Linda ladeewolf 5 hrs ago #74

Yes, he was murdered. Kind of like telling your heirs you are changing your will the next morning. Scalded Nun 5 hrs ago #75

I found this whole thing fishy from the start. Dave Bowman 4 hrs ago #78

A few b/4 Epstein was getting ready to name names. CarolinaNC 4 hrs ago #80

a few weeks b/4 CarolinaNC 4 hrs ago #81

Epstein had the goods on many, including TACO Don. ProudMNDemocrat 4 hrs ago #83

Good Morning! Akakoji 4 hrs ago #84

Epstein's demise was probably part of a clean-up operation. Aussie105 3 hrs ago #85

I've ALWAYS believed it. B.See 3 hrs ago #86

Im convinced of that. OLDMDDEM 3 hrs ago #87

If you saw the photos of the crime scene, there would be no doubt in your mind he was murdered. Trueblue Texan 3 hrs ago #88