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AZJonnie

(2,713 posts)
14. Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 07:58 PM
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She was by far and away the most outspoken and threatening victim out there, and she sued people and testified and gave interviews over like 15 years. Seems doubtful she was suddenly a big concern in 2025. If she was going to be whacked, it logically would've occurred long before that

Also, her SIL has said her suicide tracks with her circumstances:

Her sister‑in‑law Amanda Roberts told People that in the months before her death, Giuffre was in significant mental and physical pain, dealing with a serious accident, a separation from her husband, a restraining order that kept her from seeing her children, and long‑term trauma; she said that in the end “the weight of all of her burdens was too much to carry.”


I would also add, based on the memoir she endured significant guilt over her own role in the recruitment of underage girls for JE/GM to prey upon. Combined with all the above her sister mentioned, and knowing the sexual abuse started when she was 12 (way before Epstein)? I have to say I'm quite unsure *I* could endure all that.

Brunel and Epstein, who knows for sure. But their lives were basically over, they were toast. And Brunel was in the clink awaiting trial for 14 months, during which time there were "several" previous suicide attempts. One could imagine depression setting in pretty badly over 14 months (not that I feel sorry for that asshole!).

Epstein died within 24 hours of the release of the files from the 2015 Maxwell defamation case, where Guiffre's testimony nailed his ass to the cross. That timing certainly makes sense for someone offing themselves. That said, I'd be unsurprised if he wasn't "allowed to" and given the tools/means. Perhaps by order of Trump. Perhaps that's one of the things he's terrified might come out?

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Some of us have suspected this from day one. Irish_Dem Tuesday #1
His brother believes he was murdered. kentuck Tuesday #2
We know it is at least 50/50 probability. Irish_Dem Tuesday #9
Bill Barr would know. travelingthrulife Wednesday #64
Exactly. And Epstein had many secrets about the Barr family. Irish_Dem Wednesday #72
I assumed from the start it was murder buzzycrumbhunger Tuesday #7
I have never thought he committed suicide. yellow dahlia Tuesday #38
Yes and yes. Irish_Dem Wednesday #47
Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs. Irish_Dem Wednesday #50
I hadn't known about Ivana's death being suspicious yellow dahlia Wednesday #62
I thought it was questionable when it happened. Irish_Dem Wednesday #63
I didn't know about Ivana's involvement MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #65
I read it here on DU. Irish_Dem Wednesday #68
I've been suspicious all along, also. Prof. Toru Tanaka Wednesday #70
Guards went AWOL. Video machine didn't work or video is missing. Irish_Dem Wednesday #73
the guards asleep the same time? or put to sleep after drinking something. will never know. CarolinaNC Wednesday #82
His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out..... FadedMullet Tuesday #3
Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with RockRaven Tuesday #4
Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison? kentuck Tuesday #5
No proof of that specifically AZJonnie Tuesday #11
Coincidences... 2naSalit Tuesday #6
Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright Joinfortmill Tuesday #19
Wow, so much out there in the open. Journalism is dead. still-prayin4rain Wednesday #76
And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre.... Pachamama Tuesday #8
Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO AZJonnie Tuesday #14
A lot of suicides. yellow dahlia Tuesday #39
Or out of a window in Moscow. NT Bohunk68 Wednesday #51
Epstein didn't kill himself. flvegan Tuesday #10
I saw a joke story this morning catchnrelease Tuesday #13
LOL, that's good. flvegan Tuesday #32
I absolutely agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #45
I totally believe this. Scrivener7 Tuesday #12
he hung himself with a paper sheet ? Nigrum Cattus Tuesday #15
That whole two guards fell asleep fujiyamasan Tuesday #34
And the video cameras stopped working at the same time. Irish_Dem Wednesday #49
Yeah, a lot of convenient coincidences. Dave Bowman Wednesday #77
Coincidences take a lot of planning. Irish_Dem Wednesday #79
I've always believed he was murdered. nt Raine Tuesday #16
Me, too. Joinfortmill Tuesday #17
LOL Skittles Tuesday #18
Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself ashredux Tuesday #20
And a mark from hanging would be under the chin, not near the collar bone. Trueblue Texan Wednesday #89
Thinking the same, Kentuck. OAITW r.2.0 Tuesday #21
I never had a doubt. tavernier Tuesday #22
Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is..... paleotn Tuesday #23
Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake. EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #24
Do we trust this FBI? mwooldri Tuesday #26
I trust them to do something sleazy. GoCubsGo Wednesday #55
Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel? fujiyamasan Tuesday #35
Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time wolfie001 Tuesday #25
Beginning? nt BWdem4life Tuesday #27
Trump acts like a mafia godfather. Emile Tuesday #28
Never believed Epstein committed suicide Picaro Tuesday #29
Yup. yellow dahlia Tuesday #41
I have suspected this all along. evolves Tuesday #30
I've not doubted it for a second relayerbob Tuesday #31
Is water wet? usonian Tuesday #33
It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/ Bev54 Tuesday #36
I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not stopdiggin Tuesday #42
I have been pretty convinced it was a hit - TBF Tuesday #37
I always thought it went something like this. Iggo Tuesday #40
Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician. pacalo Tuesday #43
I never thought he killed himself. He Luciferous Tuesday #44
His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide. GoodRaisin Wednesday #46
K&R spanone Wednesday #48
Duh! malaise Wednesday #53
🤣 spanone Wednesday #54
I'm no FBI investigator, but... Mike Nelson Wednesday #52
Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually Scrivener7 Wednesday #58
Agreed... Mike Nelson Wednesday #59
Definitely! Magnitudes more important if you believe it wasn't him. Scrivener7 Wednesday #61
I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders Orrex Wednesday #56
... Prairie Gates Wednesday #57
If that's true we will find out... unless only one person orchestrated the whole thing. JohnnyRingo Wednesday #60
Epstein did not commit suicide LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #66
A lot of us thought so from the beginning. Sure got called lots of names though. Crunchy Frog Wednesday #67
While there is lot of craziness around Epstein's death, I think he had plenty of reasons to kill himself Buckeyeblue Wednesday #69
I didn't believe it was suicide TommieMommy Wednesday #71
Pretty sure you are right. Linda ladeewolf Wednesday #74
Yes, he was murdered. Kind of like telling your heirs you are changing your will the next morning. Scalded Nun Wednesday #75
I found this whole thing fishy from the start. Dave Bowman Wednesday #78
A few b/4 Epstein was getting ready to name names. CarolinaNC Wednesday #80
a few weeks b/4 CarolinaNC Wednesday #81
Epstein had the goods on many, including TACO Don. ProudMNDemocrat Wednesday #83
Good Morning! Akakoji Wednesday #84
Epstein's demise was probably part of a clean-up operation. Aussie105 Wednesday #85
I've ALWAYS believed it. B.See Wednesday #86
Im convinced of that. OLDMDDEM Wednesday #87
If you saw the photos of the crime scene, there would be no doubt in your mind he was murdered. Trueblue Texan Wednesday #88
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