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kentuck

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2. His brother believes he was murdered.

Tue Dec 23, 2025, 06:50 PM

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Epstein must have felt that he could always pull the strings and get out of prison? He had always done it before. But, he was sent to prison during Trump's presidency. With the documents made public today, it looks much more likely that he was murdered.

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I am beginning to believe that Epstein was murdered... [View all] kentuck Yesterday OP

Some of us have suspected this from day one. Irish_Dem Yesterday #1

His brother believes he was murdered. kentuck Yesterday #2

We know it is at least 50/50 probability. Irish_Dem Yesterday #9

Bill Barr would know. travelingthrulife 7 hrs ago #64

Exactly. And Epstein had many secrets about the Barr family. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #72

I assumed from the start it was murder buzzycrumbhunger Yesterday #7

I have never thought he committed suicide. yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #38

Yes and yes. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #47

Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #50

I hadn't known about Ivana's death being suspicious yellow dahlia 8 hrs ago #62

I thought it was questionable when it happened. Irish_Dem 8 hrs ago #63

I didn't know about Ivana's involvement MustLoveBeagles 7 hrs ago #65

I read it here on DU. Irish_Dem 6 hrs ago #68

I've been suspicious all along, also. Prof. Toru Tanaka 3 hrs ago #70

Guards went AWOL. Video machine didn't work or video is missing. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #73

the guards asleep the same time? or put to sleep after drinking something. will never know. CarolinaNC 2 hrs ago #82

His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out..... FadedMullet Yesterday #3

Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with RockRaven Yesterday #4

Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison? kentuck Yesterday #5

No proof of that specifically AZJonnie Yesterday #11

Coincidences... 2naSalit Yesterday #6

Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright Joinfortmill 23 hrs ago #19

Wow, so much out there in the open. Journalism is dead. still-prayin4rain 3 hrs ago #76

And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre.... Pachamama Yesterday #8

Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO AZJonnie Yesterday #14

A lot of suicides. yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #39

Or out of a window in Moscow. NT Bohunk68 13 hrs ago #51

Epstein didn't kill himself. flvegan Yesterday #10

I saw a joke story this morning catchnrelease Yesterday #13

LOL, that's good. flvegan 22 hrs ago #32

I absolutely agree with you. MorbidButterflyTat 20 hrs ago #45

I totally believe this. Scrivener7 Yesterday #12

he hung himself with a paper sheet ? Nigrum Cattus 23 hrs ago #15

That whole two guards fell asleep fujiyamasan 22 hrs ago #34

And the video cameras stopped working at the same time. Irish_Dem 13 hrs ago #49

Yeah, a lot of convenient coincidences. Dave Bowman 2 hrs ago #77

Coincidences take a lot of planning. Irish_Dem 2 hrs ago #79

I've always believed he was murdered. nt Raine 23 hrs ago #16

Me, too. Joinfortmill 23 hrs ago #17

LOL Skittles 23 hrs ago #18

Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself ashredux 23 hrs ago #20

And a mark from hanging would be under the chin, not near the collar bone. Trueblue Texan 1 hr ago #89

Thinking the same, Kentuck. OAITW r.2.0 23 hrs ago #21

I never had a doubt. tavernier 23 hrs ago #22

Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is..... paleotn 23 hrs ago #23

Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake. EdmondDantes_ 23 hrs ago #24

Do we trust this FBI? mwooldri 23 hrs ago #26

I trust them to do something sleazy. GoCubsGo 11 hrs ago #55

Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel? fujiyamasan 22 hrs ago #35

Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time wolfie001 23 hrs ago #25

Beginning? nt BWdem4life 22 hrs ago #27

Trump acts like a mafia godfather. Emile 22 hrs ago #28

Never believed Epstein committed suicide Picaro 22 hrs ago #29

Yup. yellow dahlia 22 hrs ago #41

I have suspected this all along. evolves 22 hrs ago #30

I've not doubted it for a second relayerbob 22 hrs ago #31

Is water wet? usonian 22 hrs ago #33

It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/ Bev54 22 hrs ago #36

I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not stopdiggin 21 hrs ago #42

I have been pretty convinced it was a hit - TBF 22 hrs ago #37

I always thought it went something like this. Iggo 22 hrs ago #40

Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician. pacalo 20 hrs ago #43

I never thought he killed himself. He Luciferous 20 hrs ago #44

His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide. GoodRaisin 17 hrs ago #46

K&R spanone 13 hrs ago #48

Duh! malaise 12 hrs ago #53

🤣 spanone 11 hrs ago #54

I'm no FBI investigator, but... Mike Nelson 12 hrs ago #52

Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #58

Agreed... Mike Nelson 11 hrs ago #59

Definitely! Magnitudes more important if you believe it wasn't him. Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #61

I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders Orrex 11 hrs ago #56

... Prairie Gates 11 hrs ago #57

If that's true we will find out... unless only one person orchestrated the whole thing. JohnnyRingo 10 hrs ago #60

Epstein did not commit suicide LetMyPeopleVote 6 hrs ago #66

A lot of us thought so from the beginning. Sure got called lots of names though. Crunchy Frog 6 hrs ago #67

While there is lot of craziness around Epstein's death, I think he had plenty of reasons to kill himself Buckeyeblue 5 hrs ago #69

I didn't believe it was suicide TommieMommy 3 hrs ago #71

Pretty sure you are right. Linda ladeewolf 3 hrs ago #74

Yes, he was murdered. Kind of like telling your heirs you are changing your will the next morning. Scalded Nun 3 hrs ago #75

I found this whole thing fishy from the start. Dave Bowman 2 hrs ago #78

A few b/4 Epstein was getting ready to name names. CarolinaNC 2 hrs ago #80

a few weeks b/4 CarolinaNC 2 hrs ago #81

Epstein had the goods on many, including TACO Don. ProudMNDemocrat 2 hrs ago #83

Good Morning! Akakoji 1 hr ago #84

Epstein's demise was probably part of a clean-up operation. Aussie105 1 hr ago #85

I've ALWAYS believed it. B.See 1 hr ago #86

Im convinced of that. OLDMDDEM 1 hr ago #87

If you saw the photos of the crime scene, there would be no doubt in your mind he was murdered. Trueblue Texan 1 hr ago #88