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In reply to the discussion: The Quiet Deprogramming of Trumpers Has Begun [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)70. Fair post. My take is that it is the same belief system +1, but the perceptions and reasoning are different
You are on there right path when you write:
I'm not sure how we can all get on the same page, but that seems like a necessary first step to me
This is a key point you identify.
Because of propaganda and disinformation, many maga believe that "trans" issues are a crisis that has to be addressed, which is to say that they have been told it is much more prevalent than it is. I think actual stats might be something like 12,000 trans people or 12,000 transitions per year, I'm not sure, but certainly not the "epidemic" they think it is, nor is it a disease, nor is it mental illness beyond what is caused by the maga nut cases pressurizing trans people.
Likewise, perhaps there was one incident of a litter box in a classroom to accomodate a furry-identifying child, or perhaps no incident at all. It certainly is not rampant throughout the school system. And if there was, who knows if it was more in jest and fun than being serious.
Further, there is an undercurrent of false information that gives the impression indirectly that being trans might somehow infect other children. That is rather nonsensical, though it is true that the presence of trans or gender-fluid children might increase gender-curiousity. If it does, it soon sorts itself out since true gender identification comes from within.
So when maga believe these things, they might rationally conclude that action needs to be taken and rights reduced. Of course conclusions drawn from false premises are garbage and maybe toxic.
The thing is that the impetus for them to reach their garbage conclusion stems from the same core protection of family instinct we share.
What this means is that, when talking to wobbly crushed magas, it is important to ask them how they reached their conclusion (support tRump because he's anti-trans), i.e. what premises and pieces of information are they operating from. Direct attacks on those premises and misinformation have a big risk of raising walls and hardening perceptions. I think it is best to approach it indirectly, by asking them to show you how the (dis)information. Then you can lead them on a path to questioning the veracity. One useful thing to do is point out how their information does not accord with shared and observed reality.
This is what happens when for example a maga expresses astonishment that the price of the car they wanted to buy has gone up $5,000 due to tariff taxes. There is cognitive dissonance because tRump promised to reduce prices on day one. Work with it.
Also, one can point out that in many cases the maga-tRump approaches are ineffective. For example:
During Donald Trump's presidency, the U.S. national debt increased by approximately $7.8 trillion, reaching about $27.75 trillion by the end of his term. This rise was influenced by factors such as tax cuts and COVID-19 relief spending.
Meet them where their concerns are and acquaint them with reality.
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That's a tough pill to swallow considering they are more likely upset about their money but not about anything else.
chowder66
Apr 2025
#1
I think I can be coolly polite when trumper relatives/acquaintances engage me, but I won't engage them.
CrispyQ
Apr 2025
#30
At this point I can't see much reason to care whether they love Trump or hate him. The damage has already
Vinca
Apr 2025
#3
I don't mind if they are afraid to talk about it, as long as they feel shame that changes their behaviour.
Bev54
Apr 2025
#13
Yes. Crushed magas need to learn. Teach them. See my post #20. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#22
Here's the problem. They have a button that can be pushed that will lead them down the same path.
Baitball Blogger
Apr 2025
#17
Thank you BdLP - that is a rich post that will take some time to digest properly.
erronis
Apr 2025
#29
Novel as they may be, seize all opportunities for communication. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#31
Your post shows a preference for a surface analysis. It is understandable, but not productive or effective.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#37
You showed us the surface that we know so well. I tried deeper analysis. And you proposed no solutions
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#48
Thanks. That explains it, and I'm sorry about your traumatic experiences. I wish you well. . . .nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#69
Fair post. My take is that it is the same belief system +1, but the perceptions and reasoning are different
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#70
I'm wondering whether the one MAGA cultist in my band is still in love with trump.
mwb970
Apr 2025
#21
While I agree we should welcome those who have "seen the light", I wouldn't trust them until they prove they can change.
HeartsCanHope
Apr 2025
#28
I married an (ex) evangelical and we shared some good times - until she found her bejesus again.
erronis
Apr 2025
#34
People have a need for direction and a certain amount of control of the world around them. Unfortunately
chowder66
Apr 2025
#43
I suspect most of them will never vote for D. They're still going to vote for R but just another one.
Meowmee
Apr 2025
#54
In trying to imagine my own reaction if the enormity of my mistake was beginning to hit me but I
summer_in_TX
Apr 2025
#67