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In reply to the discussion: The Quiet Deprogramming of Trumpers Has Begun [View all]ShazzieB
(22,101 posts)66. Do we REALLY all believe in the same things, though?
Democratic and Republican Americans are remarkably similar. Build on that. In general, the following things are true:
- Both love their families deeply. Will fight to protect them.
- Both love their country. Will fight to protect it.
- Both sincerely believe in their religions or lack thereof.
- Both fiercely believe in justice.
- Both strongly desire and defend freedom.
However the key difference is that Democrats, progressives, and liberals add empathy for broader communities.
- Both love their families deeply. Will fight to protect them.
- Both love their country. Will fight to protect it.
- Both sincerely believe in their religions or lack thereof.
- Both fiercely believe in justice.
- Both strongly desire and defend freedom.
However the key difference is that Democrats, progressives, and liberals add empathy for broader communities.
Yes, we have more empathy; and also, we and they have different definitions for a lot of the things we all claim to love. I'm not convinced that justice and freedom, for example, mean the same thing to Republicans, or at least to MAGA Republicans as they do to us.
To me, those things mean equal rights for everyone, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion (or lack thereof), sexuality, gender identity, etc., and the freedom for all of us to be who we really are. To MAGAs, "freedom" seems to mean being "free" to live like it's 1955, forcing everyone who's not like them back into the shadows. They seem to regard the very existence of gay or trans gender people to be an encroachment on their "freedom," and fight to deny them full human rights. Even books about LGBT related topics in a school or public library are regarded as an assault on their "freedom" to raise their children without any knowledge of such matters (in the mistaken belief that this will ensure that none of their children will ever identify as anything other than cis gendered and heterosexual). They demand their "freedom" to teach the Bible in public schools and hold public prayer in those schools, and on and on.
They are also very quick to accuse us of "hating this country" because we don't want to let them drag us all back to the 1950s. How can we work with that?
I'm not saying we can't possibly find a way to work together. I hope that is possible. But I see too much evidence that that are a lot of things we don't agree about to believe we can just say, "Hey, we all love freedom, so let's all work together for freedom!" That's not going to work without first making sure we all agree on exactly what "freedom" is and what it looks like.
I could go on for hours giving examples of words we don't define the same way Republicans do, but I don't have the time or the energy (and I'm sure nobody else has the time or energy to read it all if I did). I'm not sure how we can all get on the same page, but that seems like a necessary first step to me,
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That's a tough pill to swallow considering they are more likely upset about their money but not about anything else.
chowder66
Apr 2025
#1
I think I can be coolly polite when trumper relatives/acquaintances engage me, but I won't engage them.
CrispyQ
Apr 2025
#30
At this point I can't see much reason to care whether they love Trump or hate him. The damage has already
Vinca
Apr 2025
#3
I don't mind if they are afraid to talk about it, as long as they feel shame that changes their behaviour.
Bev54
Apr 2025
#13
Yes. Crushed magas need to learn. Teach them. See my post #20. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#22
Here's the problem. They have a button that can be pushed that will lead them down the same path.
Baitball Blogger
Apr 2025
#17
Thank you BdLP - that is a rich post that will take some time to digest properly.
erronis
Apr 2025
#29
Novel as they may be, seize all opportunities for communication. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#31
Your post shows a preference for a surface analysis. It is understandable, but not productive or effective.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#37
You showed us the surface that we know so well. I tried deeper analysis. And you proposed no solutions
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#48
Thanks. That explains it, and I'm sorry about your traumatic experiences. I wish you well. . . .nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#69
Fair post. My take is that it is the same belief system +1, but the perceptions and reasoning are different
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2025
#70
I'm wondering whether the one MAGA cultist in my band is still in love with trump.
mwb970
Apr 2025
#21
While I agree we should welcome those who have "seen the light", I wouldn't trust them until they prove they can change.
HeartsCanHope
Apr 2025
#28
I married an (ex) evangelical and we shared some good times - until she found her bejesus again.
erronis
Apr 2025
#34
People have a need for direction and a certain amount of control of the world around them. Unfortunately
chowder66
Apr 2025
#43
I suspect most of them will never vote for D. They're still going to vote for R but just another one.
Meowmee
Apr 2025
#54
In trying to imagine my own reaction if the enormity of my mistake was beginning to hit me but I
summer_in_TX
Apr 2025
#67