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Bluetus

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83. I agree. Dems need to be a lot more direct in calling out the grifters

Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:22 PM

Apr 2

I realize that can backfire if taken to extremes, but we have been nowhere near those extremes. Hell, most Dems can't even say that tariffs are taxes on everything you need to buy. Some Dems have trouble saying that most of these executive orders are blatantly illegal.

Nothing is gained by mincing words. It just makes us seem weak and feckless.

We are seeing people starting to be much more direct. AOC and Bernie have been telling it like it is and they are drawing crowds of 20-40,000 everywhere they go. The Booker marathon was very important because he did keep it real.

Part of plain take -- even "fighting words" -- is a warning to Republicans that we won;t let them get away with lies for fear of hurting Republican feelings. Americans want us to fight, not be excessively polite.

I wouldn't try to speak for anybody else, certainly not young black men, but I suspect they are as persuaded by people with fire in the belly as anybody else.

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Democrats still misunderstand working-class voters - to their peril [View all] KPN Apr 1 OP

how do repukes help with "stagnant wages and higher prices" Skittles Apr 1 #1

Exactly. I thought Kamala Harris and Tim Walz did a decent job of talking about Redleg Apr 1 #6

well said Skittles Apr 1 #7

As Thomas Frank observed... regnaD kciN Apr 2 #66

The secret to the GOP is that they create fake national issues Johonny Apr 1 #13

YUP Skittles Apr 1 #15

The opinion piece wasn't about "Repukes". KPN Apr 2 #47

but it's only DEMS who are advised to "understand working class voters" Skittles Apr 2 #69

The article is about how out of tune the Third World KPN Apr 2 #71

I suggest, in this time, many of the voters we relied upon cachukis Apr 2 #77

The majority of working class voters are xenophobes and are mad about high prices. LonePirate Apr 1 #2

I don't buy that. Yeah, the majority of Trump voters, but not the majority of working class voters or even voters. KPN Apr 3 #89

Third Way BS mcar Apr 1 #3

I had to scroll to the end of the article to see the author. sheshe2 Apr 1 #19

And talking about both sides of their mouths mcar Apr 1 #25

That too. sheshe2 Apr 1 #26

When was Sanders EVER 'third way'?? THAT was the CLINTONS! Jack Valentino Apr 3 #95

The article itself did that. KPN Apr 2 #48

If working class voters can't get behind the only party capable of saving our democracy because they got their feelings ImNotGod Apr 1 #4

Does "working class" mean non-union? SharonClark Apr 1 #5

Around 90% of workers in the US aren't in unions DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 1 #23

Wrong, This is fiction. betsuni Apr 1 #8

Indeed it is. A lot of these anti-Democratic Party Op-Ed's are. emulatorloo Apr 1 #32

Total fiction. Do they not see analysis of how people actually vote?? Nixie Apr 2 #46

BRAVO !!! This is exactly right. But ... Bluetus Apr 1 #9

nonsense Skittles Apr 1 #10

In that case, you must surely agree completely with this Third Way report. Bluetus Apr 1 #20

WTF Skittles Apr 1 #21

Trump is implementing every page of P2025 Bluetus Apr 1 #36

OF COURSE HE IS Skittles Apr 1 #38

We have lost the media and the courts largely BECAUSE Bluetus Apr 1 #40

IT IS WELL KNOWN WHAT WE STAND FOR Skittles Apr 1 #42

Please leave black folks out of it Keepthesoulalive Apr 2 #72

It is just a fact, not an accusation. Bluetus Apr 2 #73

Those numbers have been disputed Keepthesoulalive Apr 2 #74

I certainly didn't mean to imply that black men were the primary reason for our losses Bluetus Apr 2 #76

Grifters tend to be charismatic Keepthesoulalive Apr 2 #79

I agree. Dems need to be a lot more direct in calling out the grifters Bluetus Apr 2 #83

People will be in the streets protesting Keepthesoulalive Apr 2 #85

That starts in a big way this Saturday Bluetus Apr 2 #86

Op-Ed is fact-free garbage. P.S.most DU'ers are not going to praise Trump for his shit anti-democratic "plan" emulatorloo Apr 1 #34

I have no idea what you are talking about. That is certainly nothing remotely like what I suggested. Bluetus Apr 1 #37

Fact: the economy and economic condition of Americans is better under Democratic administrations. betsuni Apr 1 #41

That misses the point. Bluetus Apr 1 #43

You mean yelling empty populist promises, lies. Democratic policy is raising taxes on wealthy and betsuni Apr 2 #67

People want a plan, not a string of random rhetoric Bluetus Apr 2 #75

The Democratic plan is government that works for economic and social equality. Republicans know this. betsuni Friday #104

That's not a plan. That's an aspiration. Bluetus Friday #105

The Internet Recovery Act was not an "actionable plan?" You make me laugh. emulatorloo Saturday #108

I don't know what the "Internet Recovery Act" is Bluetus Saturday #110

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Wednesday #111

They didn't "sell" them. They lied about them. Needy Amin denied that he'd even heard of Project 2025. hatrack Apr 2 #50

'Bold Ideas' and 'Heritage Foundation' is an oxymoron. Fascism isn't a 'bold idea.' emulatorloo Saturday #107

THANK YOU Skittles Apr 1 #39

Biden also spoke about the failure of trickle down wryter2000 Apr 2 #56

Biden did, Hillary "Trumped-up trickle-down economics" and Harris and the Democratic Party. betsuni Apr 2 #68

Hillary: "Trumped-up trickle down," Biden "Trickle-down economics never works" Harris calls it a failure. betsuni Apr 2 #70

Thanks. KPN Friday #97

Too many Dems think progress is achieved and elections won in the 90 days before an election Bluetus Friday #106

A lot to digest, some I agree with and some I don't Raven123 Apr 1 #11

Third Way again? Iggo Apr 1 #12

+1 leftstreet Apr 1 #18

The Sons Of Lieberman can go fuck themselves . . . . hatrack Apr 2 #51

The Op Ed actually is very critical of Third Way. In fact, KPN Apr 2 #52

Well, I think this solution supports the status quo. walkingman Apr 1 #14

The Op Ed actually agrees with you 100% with the KPN Apr 2 #55

The 3rd wheel group is the out of touch politicians kacekwl Apr 1 #16

That's the point being made in the Op Ed exactly. KPN Apr 2 #57

and republicans do????? CatWoman Apr 1 #17

The Op Ed was focused on the Democratic Party, granted. KPN Apr 2 #58

Fuck Third Way. They're part of the problem. nt Rob H. Apr 1 #22

Exactly! And pretty much what the Op Ed actually KPN Apr 2 #59

This not "the Democrats" ibegurpard Apr 1 #24

Read the full article. I think the author agrees with you fully. KPN Apr 2 #61

You are showing outstanding patience Lulu KC Apr 3 #92

Trying! KPN Friday #98

econobabble Tetrachloride Apr 1 #27

repub front group third way demands dems outreach to racist, sexist and homophobic republicans lol nt msongs Apr 1 #28

Thanks, LOL! keep_left Apr 1 #30

The article is actually very critical of Third Way KPN Apr 2 #63

Third Way are a bunch of useless idiots alarimer Apr 1 #29

Yup. And that's basically what the OP says KPN Apr 2 #65

I am so friggen sick of this trope.3rd Way is a Republican play to keep splitting anti-Republican sentiment. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 1 #31

Yup. I don' t know about trope, but I always viewed it as more R than D. KPN Friday #99

I've been a cynic of 3rd ways since I paid attention and voted. At least Maine figured it out with Ranked Choice Voting. OAITW r.2.0 Friday #102

Listening to LBJ's last interview with Cronkite Comrade Citizen Apr 1 #33

The real answer is uniting the 99%... Blasphemer Apr 1 #35

3rd way is a loser Blue Full Moon Apr 2 #44

Yup. Thats exactly what the article was about and saying. KPN Friday #103

Basically they'll cause so much chaos and pain flamingdem Apr 2 #45

Working class MAGAT morons orangecrush Apr 2 #49

Sometimes I think they believe college graduates outnumber average working people? kentuck Apr 2 #53

We're supposed to appeal to struggling working class folks wryter2000 Apr 2 #54

That is exactly the point of the article. The author agrees with you on this. Did you read it fully? KPN Apr 3 #87

Workers feel ignored. Kid Berwyn Apr 2 #60

Exactly ... and the article makes that point in my rteading. It's highly critical of 3rd Way -- as it should be. KPN Apr 3 #90

Confusion about the Guardian article vs Third Way thought crime Friday #100

The biggest problems Democrats have is failing to tell people what they've done. Look at all the good Vinca Apr 2 #62

My surprise at this NPR show illustrates the point, I think. LAS14 Apr 2 #64

Total BS Dlpger61 Apr 2 #78

This is tiring. RandySF Apr 2 #80

I work so I am working class Meowmee Apr 2 #81

Funny how Most Black Working Class People Don't Fall For It Aepps22 Apr 2 #82

It's a crazy chicken... appmanga Apr 2 #84

That's a fair statement. At the same time, it ignores a couple of things: the fact that the Democratic Party generally KPN Apr 3 #88

The hugbox isn't going to take this well. ObscurePiton Apr 3 #91

Hugbox? Lulu KC Apr 3 #93

Bullshit. Many working class voters apparently don't know the difference between right and wrong. GulfofMexico Apr 3 #94

"Hopefully, we as a party can be open minded and embrace this view rather than berate it as anti-D Party." OR B.See Apr 3 #96

Third Way crap NoRethugFriends Friday #101

A silver lining: the Democrats-ignore-working-class BS is so obviously BS that it really has to stop. betsuni Saturday #109