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Ocelot II

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28. Assuming Garland had acted sooner, would the outcome really have been different?
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 10:07 AM
Jan 2025

I'm asking this not in defense of Garland, but because I am wondering whether the eventual result - the Supreme Court's immunity decision - wouldn't have just come sooner as well, and would still have prevented a trial before the election? Say the Trump indictments had come out a year earlier, starting in August of 2022 instead of August of 2023. Presumably Trump would have moved to dismiss the indictment in December of 2022, and the case would have made its way to SCOTUS on about the same timeline, but a year sooner, at the end of the 2023 term. At this point the case would have gone back to the district court for Judge Chutkan to decide which counts of the indictment should be dismissed according to SCOTUS' decision. Smith (if he had been handling the case, or another team if no special prosecutor had been appointed) would likely have filed a superseding indictment, just as he did in 2024. And that new indictment would have been challenged as well, and appealed for as long as possible - maybe all the way back to SCOTUS, and maybe long enough to prevent a trial from occurring before November of 2024. Smith didn't get much farther than the superseding indictment, dated July 27, 2024, which gave him only about 4 months to get the case prepared and tried - an impossible task. If he could have started over a year sooner, would there have been a trial, or would he still be stuck in the appellate process by November of 2024?

Maybe if Garland had started the process a year earlier (I'm not sure the investigation could have been completed much before then), Trump could have been tried and possibly, though not certainly, convicted before the election, although appeals would continue and it's doubtful he'd have ever gone to prison, regardless. We might never know why Garland didn't move more expeditiously. But given the glacial pace of the appellate process I'm not sure the eventual outcome would have been different. So I would agree that at least some of the blame can be laid at Roberts' feet. SCOTUS' decision might prove to be their most democracy-destroying act since Citizens United.

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No one can do a thing about Roberts. Garland is Biden's employee. dalton99a Jan 2025 #1
Non-sequitur n/t emulatorloo Jan 2025 #21
Merrick Garland made an excellent scapegoat for some. MineralMan Jan 2025 #2
Ha! right. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #4
And how many were convicted or pleaded guilty and received sentences? MineralMan Jan 2025 #6
People are arrested and "held on suspicion pending trial" every day. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #8
Whatever you say, I suppose. MineralMan Jan 2025 #9
The fact they were allowed to just leave says it all. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #10
Not really. There was no force available to arrest people MineralMan Jan 2025 #11
Exactly my point... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #13
Blame Trump for the lack of action. MineralMan Jan 2025 #16
Yes, and he should have been taken into custody for it at 12:01, Jan. 20, 2021. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #17
You are well aware that such is not the operational procedure of our justice system. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #35
Arresting suspected criminals isn't what law enforcement does? Think. Again. Jan 2025 #36
Such an interpretation is overly simplistic and does not accurately reflect the complexities of real-world scenarios. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #37
Our justice system is supposed to be blind to all that. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #39
I base my perspectives on the realities of the world we live in, rather than on fictional or idealized constructs. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #40
I base my perspectives on the Constitution. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #41
Could you please specify which section of the U.S. Constitution you are referring to? Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #42
All of it. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #43
LOL Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #44
I'm sorry you find that funny.... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #45
I'm sorry that I didn't receive a straight answer indicating any level of understanding. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #46
Wow, all that had nothing to do with whether... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #47
LOL (again) 😂🤪🤣🙄 Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #49
But post 17 is out of context in this reply... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #50
Nice try. No cigar. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #52
Thanks anyway, but I don't smoke Think. Again. Jan 2025 #53
Sure. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #54
Many good points. FWIW, Republicans thought they would never hold power again in the FDR years. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #22
McCONnell ensured Leo's picks. Clouds Passing Jan 2025 #29
Garlands mistake was dragging his feet. Happy Hoosier Jan 2025 #32
Is this article trying to say that only garland OR roberts could be corrupt? Think. Again. Jan 2025 #3
I think some of it is anti-Semitism. Probably started by the RW CT from when Obama nominated him. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #5
Marci Wheeler should just quit digging when she is in a hole. gab13by13 Jan 2025 #7
Some people just can't admit they have been dead wrong JanMichael Jan 2025 #12
The fact is that he ran out the clock on trump. But yeah blame DU and anyone else. Autumn Jan 2025 #14
If you had read past the first paragraph,she makes a thorough argument, dismantling the NYT article point by point. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #20
I read the first "paragraph", that was more than enough for me to form an opinion on Autumn Jan 2025 #24
Here. Enjoy this, send it to your friends. Timing was everything. Fuck Garland Autumn Jan 2025 #25
My major problem with him is that after Robert's decision dsc Jan 2025 #15
Where was the investigation of kacekwl Jan 2025 #18
See speech and debate clause. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #19
You cannot be serious dpibel Jan 2025 #55
Where was Merrick the Meek and the DOJ ? republianmushroom Jan 2025 #23
Hats off to those that can still defend Garland. That is some real loyalty. LexVegas Jan 2025 #26
Our DOJ is the most powerful investigative agency in the world. gab13by13 Jan 2025 #27
Assuming Garland had acted sooner, would the outcome really have been different? Ocelot II Jan 2025 #28
If the trump prosecutions had started in a timely manner... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #30
Maybe. But he actually was a 34x convicted felon at the time of the election, Ocelot II Jan 2025 #34
recommended for the reality-based community. bigtree Jan 2025 #31
'follow the money turned out to be a dry hole' travelingthrulife Jan 2025 #33
I have had enough of her arrogant bullshit. She has no special expertise, no contacts at DOJ, no relevant experience thebigidea Jan 2025 #38
It's the holes in the Swiss cheese lining up Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #48
What a heaping pile of .... NoRethugFriends Jan 2025 #51
Oh, look. It's Saint Marcy Emptywheel, patron of Merrick Garland and friends. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #56
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I've been pleasantly impressed with Wheeler Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #58
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