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Bernardo de La Paz

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38. Probably because they only had speculation and no credible evidence

Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:02 AM

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I don't know, but since I don't think there is credible evidence my best guess is that "the Dem leadership" don't have credible evidence either.

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In my fucked up brain I still just can't buy that the election was legitimate. [View all] Botany Wednesday OP

Legit or not doesn't really matter anymore. BlueTsunami2018 Wednesday #1

It matters. Not to turn the election over. OnionPatch Wednesday #85

It's probably too late to avoid it. BlueTsunami2018 Wednesday #87

We lost, is how it happened HereForTheParty Wednesday #179

Just curious, how and why are you sure? What makes KPN Wednesday #186

If there is any way they could have done it OnionPatch Thursday #197

What you said!! Charging Triceratops Wednesday #2

truth dosent matter to them at all. they dont give a hoot hoot hoot, AllaN01Bear Wednesday #14

They haven't talked about any of it since. onecaliberal Wednesday #27

They also never mention... Wuddles440 Wednesday #34

Nor the subsidies n/t rasputin1952 Wednesday #67

Anyone who would orchestrate an insurrection, is totally capable of stealing Emile Wednesday #3

Absolutely yellow dahlia Wednesday #12

It was an amateurish insurrection that failed miserably (while damaging lives and the People's property). . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #42

It was but it showed others what he was willing to do whopis01 Wednesday #84

Well stated post. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #86

We must hold those who legit voted Trump accountable. The Grand Illuminist Thursday #206

Elon Musk apparently got caught rigging the German election next month for the ATF Nazis to win. Meadowoak Wednesday #81

Wow, I missed that piece of information! I hope they have evidence of the method used. liberalla Wednesday #93

This is interesting. Do you have links so we can assess credibility of what Macron might have exactly said? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #95

Here - He accused Musk of meddling through Twitter/X Wiz Imp Wednesday #177

Thanks, that is what I thought it was. Interference is not "rigging", which the earlier poster used Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #192

Yep. Interference is what Russia did in the 2016 US elections (and the 2 elections since) Wiz Imp Thursday #195

Sorry but that is BS - he didn't rig an election that hasnt even happened yet Wiz Imp Wednesday #173

Maybe it's time to consider the fact that we are a country full of morons, racists, and selfish pricks? dem4decades Wednesday #4

Who believe in Jay-BEEZus Christ Botany Wednesday #10

Repubs will take credit for that manufacturing plant. Just wait and see. Ohioboy Wednesday #24

Even though Rep. Balderson whose district the plant is in no doubt voted against the Chips Act .. Botany Wednesday #30

But, but he's oooold... rubbersole Wednesday #28

it was considered since the founding of our government cadoman Wednesday #44

Riiiiight.. whathehell Wednesday #66

I agree with you... Think. Again. Wednesday #5

Message auto-removed Name removed Wednesday #6

Nobody is going to give you the answers you seek. Kaleva Wednesday #7

I remain malaise Wednesday #8

"Doubting" is an appropriate stance at this time. I am slightly vaguely doubtful myself Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #46

I've mentioned numerous inconsistencies in other threads Blue_Tires Wednesday #9

Ugly indeed. yellow dahlia Wednesday #15

Sometimes I wish we would have put a huge $$$$$ reward up KS Toronado Wednesday #52

Yes, I have as well ScratchCat Wednesday #82

I like logic. yellow dahlia Wednesday #165

The fix was in DENVERPOPS Wednesday #98

Maybe it's not your brain that's yellow dahlia Wednesday #11

Yup it's the same reason why they stole every swing state spapeggy Wednesday #18

But the SAME THING happened in 2020. Look at GA; Callie1979 Wednesday #25

Where were Ivanka's voting machines deployed? Why did Muak all but guarantee victory in the swing states? live love laugh Wednesday #13

And wasn't Musk's Star Link in contact to the central tabulators in all the swing states? Botany Wednesday #17

NO. Star Link wasnt connected to ANY voting equipment. Callie1979 Wednesday #23

I have read that voting personnel praised Star link for increasing connectivity Botany Wednesday #49

The flaws that were shown required the machines to be connected. Here's a StarLink story: Callie1979 Wednesday #80

I agree this is fishy IbogaProject Wednesday #36

he cant do jack diddley. he aint sworn in yet. AllaN01Bear Wednesday #16

You're not the only one. I'm right there with you. liberalla Wednesday #19

"And how many racist, sexist, and mouth breathing dumb fucks does this country really have?" Ray Bruns Wednesday #20

I feel the same way and BonnieJW Wednesday #21

Star link was NOT connected to ANYTHING Callie1979 Wednesday #22

It was not a legitimate win. Irish_Dem Wednesday #26

Disinformation won. rubbersole Wednesday #35

IMHO the stolen/blackmail top securtiy secrets documents won/gave him another term. nt bonniebgood Wednesday #162

One of my many many pet peeves. yellow dahlia Wednesday #166

Evidence? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #40

They are not taking our democracy from us,... magicarpet Wednesday #47

..... forgot the butler emoji.... magicarpet Wednesday #51

I said the same thing. yellow dahlia Wednesday #167

The Deepest State tees up internationalist change? bucolic_frolic Wednesday #29

Yeah, Trump stole the election Farmer-Rick Wednesday #31

Evidence ? . (speculation and innuendo are not evidence) . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #39

There's plenty of evidence Farmer-Rick Wednesday #70

Post the plentiful evidence, w sources. Show it. You can't show evidence fr credible sources, I'm sure. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #71

Can you show credible evidence Farmer-Rick Wednesday #73

YOU said it was plentiful. Post the plentiful evidence you claim to have seen. Democrats have integrity Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #74

Many countries do routine audits of election results Farmer-Rick Wednesday #91

How are you sure there were not routine audits in this election? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #94

Probable cause is evidence Farmer-Rick Wednesday #133

No. The standard refers to the evidence because the evidence has to come first Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #135

You obviously didn't read most of what I wrote Farmer-Rick Wednesday #139

I read it all. You can't make sense of what I wrote because you make accusations and speculations on no evidence. nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #142

Facts (evidence) first, then Probable Cause, then more facts, then charges. Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #141

You really, really want to believe Trump won Farmer-Rick Wednesday #145

No, and there you go again with the CHEAP tactic of trying to tell me what I am thinking. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #146

I'm just stating what your behavior shows Farmer-Rick Wednesday #149

And you are recommending your own posts. How cheap is that? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #150

I read the whole of your post more than twice. Probable cause is a conclusion from evidence, not the other way around Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #144

You do not win the argument by Farmer-Rick Wednesday #147

There is no evidence to conclude probable cause. You have presented none because you have none. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #148

Just read the original post Farmer-Rick Wednesday #151

The original post presents NO evidence, names, or sources. I called the poster out on it too in post #37. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #152

Not to worry Farmer-Rick Wednesday #154

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. yellow dahlia Wednesday #175

It would be nice if the poster gave even circumstantial evidence, but not even that. They gave nothing Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #193

The evidence is all over Farmer-Rick Thursday #196

"The evidence is all over" Unladen Swallow Thursday #207

It's not that I can't Farmer-Rick Friday #216

Audits are routinely done during certification/nt Abnredleg Wednesday #129

Yes, but they do not audit results of elections Farmer-Rick Wednesday #134

What do you think is "auditing the results" and how are you sure that was not done? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #137

No, they audit the results Abnredleg Wednesday #143

Which states and elections? Farmer-Rick Wednesday #153

You made the allegation: Ball is in your court. But you have no evidence, no names, no sources. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #155

All the swing states, for a start Abnredleg Wednesday #156

He didn't steal the election. He bought it! DaveDuhRave Wednesday #48

Occam's razor says this is easier to do, doesn't risk prison time & doesn't require huge coverup/concealment. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #97

We are a big choir. yellow dahlia Wednesday #169

I've been thinking this for a long time Chicagogrl1 Wednesday #32

Probably because they only had speculation and no credible evidence Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #38

Right. You're doing a great job pushing back on this nonsense. Wiz Imp Wednesday #185

We just talk ourselves out of everything, don't we? hadEnuf Wednesday #163

How many provisionals? counted provisionals, uncounted provisionals, scared by reports of violence, ... Festivito Wednesday #33

If you don't have real evidence, then this kind of speculation doesn't serve you well Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #37

I have done election work for 20 years and something about the election doesn't pass my smell test Botany Wednesday #43

Sure. But sometimes some things stink without being rotten. All the same continue to be alert Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #50

If it was stolen, DV1 Wednesday #41

Me either. Unfortunately, we don't know how they did it. travelingthrulife Wednesday #45

That's exactly how I see it. Kid Berwyn Wednesday #53

Watch how fast "they" push the scam that is Crypto. Botany Wednesday #54

...and Project 2025 Kid Berwyn Wednesday #55

Prepare for incoming!!! Hope22 Wednesday #56

I don't think you are fucked up at all. hadEnuf Wednesday #57

But..but..but...the lady!!! Hope22 Wednesday #58

I agree with you Andy823 Wednesday #59

Never underestimate the hate and stupidity of the American electorate. yourout Wednesday #60

What's fucked up is that you think your brain is fucked up to thinks these things. Clouds Passing Wednesday #61

No conspiracy. Just morons, idiots, racists, white nationalist neo-nazis, dominionists, and misogynists. Oopsie Daisy Wednesday #62

Starlink Jughead Wednesday #63

No, not enough said Abnredleg Wednesday #130

So we know the Chinese have been hacking the government since at least October right? questionseverything Thursday #209

The Chinese have hacked networks connected to the Internet Abnredleg Thursday #210

It's only the reporting page that needs hacked questionseverything Thursday #211

That is very incorrect Abnredleg Thursday #212

Thats like Southern_gent 22 hrs ago #220

Not fucked up at all! ananda Wednesday #64

It was just too damn easy INdemo Wednesday #65

100% agreed relayerbob Wednesday #68

I am the same way! Initech Wednesday #69

Never under estimate the STUPIDITY of the "joe rogan" American public. Add to that the racism, sexism, and bigotry that JohnSJ Wednesday #72

My feelings exactly kimbutgar Wednesday #75

Oh Well... Mr.Bee Wednesday #76

So...when we lose it's rigged just like they claimed four years ago? Bengus81 Wednesday #77

As he said in Georgia.... Hope22 Wednesday #107

Yeah it's disappointing to lose ZRB Wednesday #78

The polls continually had it as a close race, even when Biden was our nominee. Omnipresent Wednesday #79

There's no way he won 7 swing states legitimately - TBF Wednesday #83

The bullet ballot BS was just that - BS Wiz Imp Wednesday #88

You do realize that the bullet ballot theory was immediately disproven right? EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #89

you do realize NJCher Wednesday #96

No there really isn't. The other stuff was primarily based on feels EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #174

What a joke NJCher Wednesday #187

You're only repeating yourself NJCher Thursday #194

Spot on, Botany dlilafae Wednesday #90

I agree. Grumpy Old Guy Wednesday #92

It's not a stretch to distrust a proven liar and a cheat and a Russian Asset... suegeo Wednesday #99

I still hate George W. Bush. He also stole his office. suegeo Wednesday #112

I'm sorry, but did you just say Unladen Swallow Thursday #208

re your NJCher Wednesday #100

Trust me I have lived with myself my whole life and I'm a dumb ass .. Botany Wednesday #101

Botany.......... Upthevibe Wednesday #102

I just toss it on top of the pile... stillcool Wednesday #103

The election was stolded!!! Bonx Wednesday #104

I guess..... Lokee11 Wednesday #105

It it was stolen.. Escape Wednesday #106

I think the same vankuria Wednesday #108

Google France and Elon election interference Linda ladeewolf Wednesday #109

I have seen stories that Musk and Vlad have interfered with other elections in the past. Botany Wednesday #111

My thoughts on this are I 100% know something happened. bluestarone Wednesday #110

Agreed. yellow dahlia Wednesday #178

If any of this is true, this logic demands that Biden and Harris are complicit in the "theft" tritsofme Wednesday #113

It was legit sarisataka Wednesday #114

I have noticed this trend at DU for a long time. totodeinhere Yesterday #219

Turns out that running a fair election is actually quite difficult. Aussie105 Wednesday #115

I think a lot of stuff went on, but too many people stayed home. valleyrogue Wednesday #116

Recommended. H2O Man Wednesday #117

Magic isn't pulling a rabbit out of a hat - it's manipulating perceptions. alittlelark Wednesday #118

Neither can I. Just can't shake it. But, for now, we move on. Joinfortmill Wednesday #119

Greg Palast 90-percent Wednesday #120

Lots of good questions but no answers Hassler Wednesday #121

I will say this. OldBaldy1701E Wednesday #122

And in contesting the 2020 election "they" got a hold of the voting machines and tabulators hardware and software. Botany Wednesday #125

Republicans ALWAYS throw up a smoke screen to accuse other people of doing what they themselves are actually doing. hadEnuf Wednesday #168

Their MO, from the recess yard...appropriately. yellow dahlia Wednesday #181

Totally agree gopiscrap Wednesday #123

I'm with you DingleBerryNW Wednesday #124

How did it get by every Democratic elections expert? ibegurpard Wednesday #126

You are not alone... Bluethroughu Wednesday #127

From the point of view re Republican voter disenfranchisement B.See Wednesday #128

100% Agree yankee87 Wednesday #131

We the People will never know the extent of AI and propaganda from other countries that soaked into millions of voters Evolve Dammit Wednesday #132

What was drumpf and little johnson's 'little secret"???? tazcat Wednesday #136

Of Course He Stole It DET Wednesday #138

I asked the same questions. yellow dahlia Wednesday #183

I hate indulging in such conspiracy theories, but in the back of my mind I just... the nelm Wednesday #140

The "stolen election" was a smoke screen. hadEnuf Wednesday #172

Back in 2020 The Wizard Wednesday #157

If trump just won in every swing state and every other state stayed that same DetroitLegalBeagle Wednesday #158

In 2920, I got flyers from both campaigns asking me to vote by mail Kaleva Wednesday #180

I've wondered for years about the "shy Trump voter" phenomenon in polls AdamGG Wednesday #159

I suggest Iowa maga are more gaslightable than Mass maga; more susceptible to fears about Deep State. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #160

Good point AdamGG Wednesday #161

Yes. What if the polls were not wrong? yellow dahlia Wednesday #184

Do you mean the polls that on average were right where the election was? EdmondDantes_ Friday #217

Agree Meowmee Wednesday #164

I feel the same. Control-Z Wednesday #170

The hardest thing for me to understand is the lower turnout of Democratic voters. 3catwoman3 Wednesday #171

We aren't election deniers. That's trump's schtick. Groundhawg Wednesday #176

And yet, this thread Unladen Swallow Thursday #201

I am not convince it was legit. NOT AT ALL vapor2 Wednesday #182

I think he stole 2016 and tried in 2020. 58Sunliner Thursday #188

I could not understand how samplegirl Thursday #189

Nothing wrong w your brain that I can see, Botany. I have the same questions & more. Hekate Thursday #190

We lost. I for one will take the loss graciously. William769 Thursday #191

Indeed. Patton French Thursday #198

Me either. Those bullet ballots probably came from the same print shop as the fake elector documents. Vinca Thursday #199

Could someone PLEASE give more info: "What was Musk doing compiling a d-base list of votes that could be brought in..." ._. Thursday #200

As near as I can tell and or guess Musk bought (not registered? I'll give you $100 to register. Musk) .... Botany Thursday #204

This message was self-deleted by its author ._. Thursday #213

Watch how fast that "they" push the total scam that is Crypto now. The Crypto boys were in on the steal. Botany Thursday #215

This message was self-deleted by its author ._. Friday #218

If you make politics your religion, your brain will have difficulty processing contrary information Jose Garcia Thursday #202

My brain has always had difficulties in processing information. Botany Thursday #203

You don't think that the election was legitimate because you don't want to believe that Trump totodeinhere Thursday #205

This message was self-deleted by its author ._. Thursday #214