Sad to say.

This piece of trash will be sworn in on the 20th.

It matters to know how it was done so we can avoid it happening again.

Who is going to discover the method? Who would do anything about it should this actually be true? These fucks will just legalize it.

If the things you talked about had happened, I'm sure the Harris team would have pursued it.

you sure?

Just wondering because I really would like to be sure.

whether or not we could prove it, we need to know if there was a way they could have done it. Officially, she lost and has no proof to contest, and that makes sense that she doesn't. But that doesn't mean we, the Democrats, shouldn't be examining any way in the system in which they could have done it, (because if there was a way, I have not a shred of doubt they would) and fix it so our system is safer for next time.

Especially the part of the incompetent, compromised media and its grocery prices obsession.
They never mentioned grocery companies' record profits.
Never.

the obscene profits being generated yearly by the petroleum industry.

an election.

People have had 4 years since then to figure out how to get him back in office as a chaos creating, babbling, empty figurehead. The perfect distraction and enabler for them to do whatever they want for the next four years.

He is a bumbling, incompetent fool. He is also an incredibly valuable, powerful tool for those that are wielding him.

I don’t know if the election was legitimate or not. It doesn’t matter at this point.

If you own a business, deny them service. Demand voter registration cards be at ready. There is a start.

Emmanuel Macron says they have evidence that he meddled in elections all over the world. I'm really hoping that Germany has figured out exactly what he did there, so maybe we can look to see if that same thing was done here, all before inauguration.

That would be most helpful for other countries to know....

Did it influence the results? No question. Is it illegal? When done by a foreign government, it may be. The problem is it is very hard to prove and prosecute as the 2016 election showed since a lot of the influence is designed to be subliminal (disinformation & conspiracy theories posted on social media). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention . But note, Russia (along with many other countries) has been engaged in trying to interfere and influence elections, particularly throughout Europe, for decades. And make no mistake, the US has been engaged in doing this in other countries as well. What Musk is doing in Europe now is underhanded and unethical and maybe even illegal at some levels, but he is not "rigging" elections, just trying to ensure the results are to his liking. It needs to be called out when it happens which is why Macron is speaking out but it is very hard to prevent altogether.

He was accused of interfering in the election by trying to influence the results by posting far right conspiracy theories.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2025/01/08/elon-musk-european-politics/77503561007/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/30/europe/germany-elon-musk-election-influence/index.html

But not his teachings.

The 50 + year dumbing down of America by Republican controlled media has its costs.

In Columbus, OH in a town about 40 miles west of here there is a Fox affiliated classic
rock station that ran ads all the time that had something like “Is Bidenomics hurting you”
even though a huge chip manufacturing plant is going in right there that is bringing in
thousands of good paying jobs including the construction workers thanks to Biden’s Chip
Act.

…. and both he and the Republican Governor showed up to the ground breaking.

...and tsf is is ripped and mentally sharp. You wouldn't believe how healthy he is until you see him in his Superman outfit on the nft cards. That red tie is hiding how good he looks...naked.

(Sorry for those who just ate breakfast. )

The founding fathers limited the use of democracy in our republic to the act of selecting executives, representatives, and judges.

The people aren't given any direct power because it would place too much power directly in the hands of folks as you describe, and worse.

So yeah we're stuck with TFG for four years, but we have two years to ramp up Senate and House campaigns that block what he can do. That 2026 election is critical to focus on.

Self- hatred....THAT will work.

Sorry, but I don't think the citizens of any country are innately more inclined to racism, stupidity, or selfishness than others. .As I'd guess most here know, an attempt to broadbrush the people of another country this way would be hidden for bigotry...Just sayin'.

...but our position on this election is an unwinnable battle.

That being said we must continue to challenge the faults in our election systems in the hope that some day we will be able to elect leaders that the majority of the American public actually want to elect.

You'll have to find them yourself.

Harris conceded. Dems in Congress accepted the EC vote.

One can decide that a diagnosis of cancer isn't legit and refuse to accept it but that won't change anything. It might even hasten one's death as they won't take the necessary measures that might put the cancer in remission.

Doubting malaise

Which led me to believe the fix was in all along. Sadly all I have is circumstantial stuff and nothing concrete; but when you start piecing together all this circumstantial stuff, it adds up to a very ugly picture... 😔

I am glad some of us are putting the info out there, and discussing it.

for information on how TSF/Musk stole the election and make the reward and other benefits so
great someone would bite at having a luxury hide-a-way with secret service protection for life .
Maybe we still can, what would it hurt to try?

Too many coincidences and inconsistencies. I have pointed out time and time again that both Rick Scott and Corey Simon won their races in Florida with 57% when no poll had them winning in such a landslide. "Coincidentally", both ballot initiatives that Governor DeSantis illegally campaigned against fell short at.... 57%. Not to mention CNN's own exit poll showed a third of Harris voters were "voting against the other candidate rather than for their own" which means the bulk of that third were Republicans not voting for Trump.

One can sit here all day and blame "sexism", "bigotry" or whatever as why certain people didn't vote for Harris. I can accept some of that. But it doesn't explain away all the votes Trump allegedly got from people who voting for him would make no sense.

I reluctantly conclude they switched enough votes with software hacks to change the outcome.

ever since the 2000 and 2004 elections. Remember when the CEO of EIS voting machines came out and stated that he guaranteed WBush was going to win??????????

His machines and the compilers were highly suspect of blatant fraud.......

One of Hitler's henchman once stated: It's not the Voting, it's who ever COUNTS the votes that matters......

Every point raised, every question asked in the comment was true.........

fucked up at all. What if it's only the election that was fucked up?

I am asking the same questions...over and over.

There are so many examples of down ballots that went Democratic, but the grifter won the state. It is not believable.

To me the comments about not needing votes amounts to a confession. And Musk's involvement with data!!!??? They're doing it all in plain sight.

And on election day - there were bomb scares at polling places, in certain precincts. Talk about election interference! Some of those polling places didn't reopen.

There are a lot of variables. None of it adds up. None of it is logical.

I also think that the grifter used Musk's capabilities with data to make sure he got "the popular vote", because of his fragile ego.

Your brain sounds logical to me.

Trump wanted to shove it in the faces of his detractors. It’s why he’s trying to get people to dc for his coronation.

Trump lost but BOTH Senate seats were won by the GOP candidates (before the runoffs; which trump himself lost)
Same thing happened in Wisconsin; Ron Johnson explained it on video when he didnt know he was being recorded.
People voted AGAINST trump but FOR their senator & reps

Just saying.

And even if it HAD been the numbers wouldnt match up with the records taken by the polling precincts.

I know that voting machines are not connected to the internet but security flaws in
them do really exist and that was proven in rigorous testing. Those flaws might have
been fixed by now. However in contesting the 2020 vote some of Trump’s supports
got a hold of voting machines hardware and software what they did with it is an unknown.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/22486-document-05-jennifer-l-brunner-ohio-secretary

But I think there is distracting misinformation to deflect from the actual theft. There were bomb threats in blue precincts including some voting tech areas briefly vacated. Some funny stuff w a tabulator in State College PA. 100K ballots not tabulated in a very blue precinct in Wisconsin. And his final swing state edge was ~280k. But then we had a Billionaire, Mark Cuban pulling Kamala to the center with our strategy to court moderate GOP women. The fact is we didn't even try and fail to reverse or even talk about the 2017 tax "cuts", which have actually been a middle class tax hike. Our tax code has become mostly regressive over 40 years but our reps and Senators rarely speak of it and never try to fix it. Our social security payroll tax has been mismanaged and left the majority of America worse off. I get angered when all that is offered on health care are publicity stunts. Top ten medicare meds get their prices negoiated. Cap on insulin for medicare but not elsewhere and so on. Having said that Joe was amazing his first year and while below his ask and what should have been passed was still huge, transformative and will continue to help. But it was like a large bandaid on a festering infection. Problem is our Senators and Reps get paid several times the median wages and have other benefits that pull them away from our daily struggles and the the fundraising, lobbying and angling for jobs after all dilute many hopeful voices. We are so doomed if one or more catastrophic events happen the next two years. Big trouble even withbout those just with these fools running wild.

Too many.

I always will. We won they cheated as usual. This time they had more advanced tech and maybe joe was told there was nothing to be done.

It's only going to get worse. tsf is out getting all the media attention while the oligarchs are backing up the semis to Ft. Knox. It's going to be hard to stop.

..... we are handing it to them on a sterling silver platter while wearing our fancy tuxedo and white butler's gloves.

Painful to watch.

Big Oligarch Spheres of Influence? And little old Democrats and Harris were not important enough to participate?

I wouldn't say it's impossible.

There is no doubt about it. But who cares? Aside from people here, there isn't a peep from anyone else.

Really, the Dems seem fine with it. The American voters aren't protesting, and our corporate owned "news" media is business as usual. It seems this is the new way to win elections. Much like when Putin wins every election.

We are no longer a democracy. The American experiment is done, finished, over. We are a dictator led collection of oligarchs or poligarchs commonly known as a kleptocracy. The US is an autocratic and nepotist based government in which external oversight does not exist.

But no investigations. So, it allows for plausible deniability and ignoring the problem.

What evidence do we have that Venezuela's presidential election was rigged? What evidence do we have that Putin rigged most all his elections? What evidence is there of Ferdinand Marcos rigged elections?

None of those fraudulent elections had much in the way of evidence. It's mostly statistically weird results and rumors. Rarely is it a smoking gun or obviously direct evidence. Dictators all over the world have been rigging elections with no repercussion because it is so easy to hide when you never investigate or do audits of actual elections.

Of any dictator's rigged elections?

If you don't investigate, you have no evidence. If you don't do audits by outside sources, you get no evidence. Every dictator in the world knows this.

And investigate concerns of rigged elections. It's very common especially with computerized voting.

That's how most fraudulent elections are discovered. There is plenty of probable cause for investigation into the 2025 presidential election. Probable cause is a type of evidence and is very credible. It is used regularly in police work.
Probable cause is the basis for most police investigations. To get more direct evidence an investigation has to be done. If an investigation were ever to be completed, there would be plenty of evidence for prosecution.

Here is probable cause, which is a form of evidence, for investigation into the rigged 2025 presidential election:

Russian initiated bomb threats at polls, uptick in rejected ballots, group of prominent computer scientists and election security experts raised alarm over breaches of voting system software, and everything the original poster has explained.

There is evidence and creditable evidence to initiate an investigation.

Probable cause is considered a legal standard that refers to a level of evidence sufficient to lead a reasonable person to believe that a crime has been committed, meaning it is essentially a type of evidence, but it falls between "reasonable suspicion" and the level of evidence needed for a conviction.

The evidence mentioned in the original post can also be considered allegations of sort.

You seem to think probable cause has to be equal to evidence presented to convict a person of a crime. They are different standards.

So, I'm done with your baseless arguments. I can not make sense out of half of what you write.

Fair and square. The thought that Trump rigged the elections really seems to upset you. Do all his other lies and frauds upset you as much?

Here's another thing about what I know about Trump that will make you angry.

Trump is a pedophile and always has been.

145. You really, really want to believe Trump won
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Fair and square. The thought that Trump rigged the elections really seems to upset you. Do all his other lies and frauds upset you as much?
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Posting the most words. You are wrong.

There is probably cause to investigate the election.

The post you keep replying to also lists probable causes for an investigation into the election.

No one will ever hold pedo Trump accountable for any of his frauds. He'll go crazy before any investigation into all of his election fraud is ever completed.

Deductive reasoning is logic.

Don't feel like going back and forth with someone in an argument, but got your back.

But you refuse to see it. I'm not going to argue every bit of evidence with you, one by one. There is enough to start an investigation. You won't get smoking gun evidence, the kind that can never be explained except by the crime itself, if you don't investigate.

And that's the standard you want to set for the investigation. And it's how Trump gets away with everything. People claim no matter what the evidence is, that it's not enough to convict the pedophile. Well, if you never do an investigation, you never get enough evidence to convict.

And yeah, I get it, you alerted on me.

but you literally cannot name one single shred.

I think the original poster did a fine job of listening most all the probable cause to initiate a full investigation. But it will never be enough evidence for an investigation in your mind. So I'm not going to argue with you over it piece by piece.

The evidence you want can only be obtained by a full investigation. Of course the Nazis in control aren't going to allow that.

It's not that I can't list all the probable cause evidence, it's that I won't.

They audit to certify machines or systems but not to ensure accuracy.

But it is good that some amount of auditing is done.

By hand counting batches of paper ballots and comparing the count to the tabulator counts. This is a fairly recent trend as more states adopt paper ballots.

It’s called a risk limiting audit.


https://www.pa.gov/agencies/dos/newsroom/department-of-state-begins-risk-limiting-audit-of-2024-general-e.html
https://www.michigan.gov/sos/resources/news/2021/01/11/statewide-risk-limiting-election-audit-process-to-begin-at-11-a-m-
https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/23/state-board-certifies-november-municipal-elections
https://sos.ga.gov/news/georgias-2024-statewide-risk-limiting-audit-confirms-voting-system-accuracy
https://informingdemocracy.substack.com/p/the-auditing-processes-in-az-ga-mi

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With all the capital Musk and the rest had available they just flooded Tik-Tok, Facebook, X, etc with disinformation targeting the MAGA easily enough to swing the vote. They bought it and all the billionaires are now ponying up to him to take advantage of it.

Wish more were listening.

I don’t understand why the Dem leadership didn’t question this outcome more. I agree. It seems like he was acting as though we had it in the bag months prior to the election. It just doesn’t pass the smell test in my opinion. unless the Democrats start acting like fighters, nothing will improve

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Bottom line is that most people here who are so sure that the election was stolen believe so primarily because they didn't like the result. They can't believe that there would be so many people supporting Trump, etc., therefore it must have been stolen. Basically the same arguments MAGA made about 2020. Feeling something wasn't right about the election is perfectly natural, and an opinion shared by millions. But until one can present evidence of something illegal or nefarious being done to change the results, that is all it is - a feeling. I probably shouldn't be surprised, but I am, that so many here continue to insist that there is plenty of evidence that shows it was stolen, yet when pressed to show that evidence are unable to do so (because it doesn't actually exist).