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EndlessWire

(7,291 posts)
38. I understand.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:13 PM
Monday

Your approach would work if we stay at the level of corruption that we were at not so long ago. But, this new crop of Trumpian buddies are going to nag him into a more perverse behavior. This is what we fear. He has announced what amounts to atrocities. That's what we are going to be dealing with.

We can choose not to believe, and wait for it. Or, we can take him at his word and prepare for it. We have the example of history to know how these evil people get entrenched, when ordinary peaceful people are subjugated and used to keep the dictator in place.

If you woke up one morning and discovered that your whole neighborhood had been arrested and hauled off, and that one of those doing the arresting was your dear friend who saved your life once upon a time, would you still feel that you owe him something even though his political beliefs do not align with yours? It's even harder when the Trumpian believer is a family member.

You don't have to hate anyone. There is a whale of a difference between hate and anger. Right now I am angry with all Republicans. They can stay away from me. As a group, their blind worship of a mean, vile fat pig is enough to dim the lights. But, why is that woman putting Trump signs in her yard? She doesn't appear to care about YOU. If she's doing it as camouflage, that's trickier.

I admire your WWJD approach to the problem of Trump lackeys and enablers. I have discovered that I am not capable of that. I don't want anyone smiling and telling me that Trump is God and will save my soul. Actually, I'm asking every day for him to just disappear from the Earth. That's where I am. And since I paid my dues by arguing with otherwise smart but seemingly stupid family members, I'm not bothering with that anymore. I have one relative left. We keep it polite. He knows that my bubble is Trump free.

I'm quite likely to stay sharp on how Trump is ripping up our country, but I am tuning out otherwise. That's because I have discovered that not seeing Trump's scowling face or hearing his stupid pronouncements keeps me calm. We have to live like this for the next four years, being strong to resist, being embarrassed in front of the world, and figuring out how to save the template of our nation. It's going to be really, really hard to even be cordial to any Republican or person who voted for Trump.

But, that's reality. We let a monster skate. We are all in it together.

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Ditto Ferrets are Cool Monday #1
Ditto x 3! n/t iluvtennis Monday #13
Ditto x infinity -- there's NO acceptable excuse William Seger Monday #42
They vote for a felon for President of the United States. There is no repentance that is sufficient. Ferrets are Cool Yesterday #86
They not only approved the suffering, they are looking forward to seeing other people suffer. Irish_Dem Monday #2
Exactly. They voted for him specifically to contribute to the suffering Orrex Monday #47
It's not that simiple MadameButterfly 22 hrs ago #105
The two places where I volunteer ChazII 21 hrs ago #107
Let those good, misled people demonstrate that they've seen the error of their ways Orrex 20 hrs ago #109
Same here too! Emile Monday #3
I won't forgive the people who voted for Trump and put bumper stickers on their vehicles bragging about it. sop Monday #4
Yup, yup... fuckem all!! InAbLuEsTaTe Monday #5
I'm so sick and tired of that "own the libs" bullshit. Initech Monday #6
I have cut them all off, NameAlreadyTaken Monday #7
Anybody that voted for the orange maggot has no common sense or decency kimbutgar Monday #9
I feel sad reading this thread womanofthehills Monday #18
These people are not Republicans. Joinfortmill Monday #26
That is your decision Keepthesoulalive Monday #30
seniors need medicare , social security rampartd Monday #44
Your choice but at least become aware of what this really is LatteLady Monday #35
i had to look up "jane's revenge rampartd Monday #45
It's Not About Politics; It's About Ethics nt smb Monday #80
I understand. EndlessWire Monday #38
There is a whale of a difference between hate and anger DeeDeeNY Yesterday #96
The OP is about forgiveness of Traitor voters Arazi Monday #39
I am glad that they were there for you when you were sick. . . Stargleamer Monday #46
So if you found out your friends were racists or rapists, that would not ne a good enough reason usedtobedemgurl Monday #50
You can be polite and have compassion biophile Monday #54
It is not about "different views" Cirsium Monday #55
Not mere "different views". Voting for Trump indicates a deep moral deficiency in one's character, well worth avoiding. 0rganism Monday #74
My 88-year-old sister has cut my 78-year-old brother and his wife off because of Trump. valleyrogue Monday #76
Me too. I still have hope that some of them will have their eyes opened and hearts and minds changed. summer_in_TX Yesterday #88
Ah, the "different views" red herring Orrex 20 hrs ago #113
I feel sad reading this thread womanofthehills Monday #19
Agree. Life is too short to cut people off, especially family, because of politics. n/t valleyrogue Monday #77
It is not about politics Cirsium 19 hrs ago #118
Agreed. Being a white male in the business world in the Midwest, I don't really have the option to ostracize Trump Midwestern Democrat 22 hrs ago #104
I doubt that Cirsium 19 hrs ago #120
Message auto-removed Name removed Monday #73
Hello again!! GP6971 Monday #75
You won't talk to the guy who saved your life just because he supports Trump? Polybius 19 hrs ago #115
No. And by the way, NameAlreadyTaken 13 hrs ago #122
Older meme but it fits. underpants Monday #8
I lost my LilElf70 Monday #16
Hear hear. Evolve Dammit Monday #62
I'm having a very hard time forgiving them also vapor2 Monday #10
Worse Cirsium Monday #58
They voted FOR him KT2000 Monday #11
Post removed Post removed Monday #12
Well Hello!! GP6971 Monday #15
He's not going to last long JustAnotherGen Monday #17
They never do. GP6971 Monday #81
They are blinded by the cult Evolve Dammit Monday #63
it's not that simple justsomeguy01 20 hrs ago #110
OK - but all media showed KT2000 17 hrs ago #121
I won't forgive anyone either LilElf70 Monday #14
Same here. Will never forgive them. B.See Monday #20
The catch with forgiveness is that we forgive for our own mental health, not theirs. Magoo48 Monday #21
There are some things even God can't forgive. paleotn Monday #24
Sure, only my opinion. Resentment and grudges cloud my ability to focus on the here and now. Magoo48 Monday #28
Same. onecaliberal Monday #22
My schadenfreude is cleaned, all shined up and ready to roll! paleotn Monday #23
Yup. Joinfortmill Monday #25
I can forgive some of them, but others like Musk & Charlie Kirk never SunImp Monday #27
Me, neither. Kid Berwyn Monday #29
No one cares if you do or not. I doubt very much they care or want your forgiveness. Autumn Monday #31
I unfriended my cousin because of it LivingInASociety Monday #32
I'm waiting for this bumper sticker ... Jeebo Monday #33
George Conway has a bumper sticker - yellow dahlia Monday #66
To hell with them. (nt) Paladin Monday #34
My retort will be when a tRumper complains... ProudMNDemocrat Monday #36
Nor will I. Bumbles Monday #37
They did the FA.....It's the FO time 634-5789 Monday #40
They never will Cirsium Monday #57
Boy, THERE'S a cautionary tale if ever there was one. calimary Yesterday #91
Exactly right LatteLady Yesterday #99
This message was self-deleted by its author LatteLady Yesterday #100
And not Forget that they voted for the Felon Bread and Circuses Monday #41
They voted for racism and misogyny. usonian Monday #43
Me neither claudette Monday #48
I don't think anyone voted for a traitor, rapist and convicted felon should even doc03 Monday #49
They're not asking for forgiveness and I'm not giving it. Boomerproud Monday #51
Ditto Buddyzbuddy Monday #52
Never for the rest of my life Blue_Tires Monday #53
I can forgive LogDog75 Monday #56
Same for Democrats who didn't vote. DavidDvorkin Monday #59
They aren't Democrats Cirsium 19 hrs ago #117
our country is sick. barbtries Monday #60
Assholes who voted for trump should not be forgiven LetMyPeopleVote Monday #61
I go a step further, I won't forgive those who voted third party or didn't vote also. JohnSJ Monday #64
I doubt they want to be forgiven Meowmee Monday #65
Yep ampm Monday #67
The suffering will extend well beyond the next 4 years. krkaufman Monday #68
they make me sick Skittles Monday #69
Some maybe Tweedy Monday #70
Yes. My husband's brother is old, mostly blind, and half-deaf. raging moderate 22 hrs ago #106
I am so sorry Tweedy 12 hrs ago #123
agree Longford1847 Monday #71
Cruel and ignorant voters elect cruel and ignorant politicians. dsharp88 Monday #72
I also won't forgive people kansasobama Monday #78
Not so fast AncientOfDays Monday #79
I don't forgive them for being knuckle dragging imbeciles. Bird Lady Monday #82
I'm lucky. Don't have a lot of friends but, yes Sir and yes Ma'am..Donald Trump is on their shit list, for ever. chouchou Monday #83
zanana1........... Upthevibe Monday #84
If you support Nazis, then you are a Nazi JoseBalow Monday #85
I've shut out all of the MAGA voters in my life La Coliniere Yesterday #87
The suffering will last more than four years. Grumpy Old Guy Yesterday #89
generation(S) justsomeguy01 20 hrs ago #112
There will be... Fiddlelady11 Yesterday #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Yesterday #92
No friends is a theme of yours mercuryblues Yesterday #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Yesterday #95
How do you know who anyone voted for? Shrek Yesterday #94
Me either ThePartyThatListens Yesterday #97
Many people rationalize keeping MAGAts in their life DeeDeeNY Yesterday #98
My neighbor never fly and American flag Historic NY Yesterday #101
I include both 2016 and 2024. no_hypocrisy Yesterday #102
I'm not a razor sharp political person like many people on DU Beringia 22 hrs ago #103
I hate to say this but... the_liberal_grandpa 21 hrs ago #108
How will you know/ Chin music 20 hrs ago #111
Will there be a chapter in a history book someday - yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #116
YES get the red out 19 hrs ago #114
This has been an edifying and often painful discussion. yellow dahlia 19 hrs ago #119
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