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NJCher

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3. Let the Putin/Musk et al investigations begin

Tue Dec 17, 2024, 11:35 PM

Dec 17

Some of them couldn't start until the election was certified, as I understand it.

Executive Order 13848: Governs intelligence community assessments of foreign interference after the election is concluded i.e., after December 17th, 2024).

DOJ investigations can begin anytime credible evidence arises, even before the Electoral College meeting election certification. Consequently, DOJ is not necessarily tied to EO 13848 timelines.

The DOJ can and does investigate election interference or related crimes before December 17th. Its authority is based on federal laws and is independent of the timeline set by EO 13848, which pertains to intelligence assessments of foreign interference.

If anyone has a different interpretation than this, please post it.

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Smart Elections Report on Drop-Off Ballots Just Released! [View all] NJCher Dec 17 OP

Bring the smelling salts! I feel faint! dchill Dec 17 #1

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The Electoral College finished the count yesterday Polybius Dec 18 #7

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I did see number 3 Polybius Dec 18 #39

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I'm sorry Polybius Dec 18 #44

How would immunity give him the power to force recounts? FBaggins Dec 18 #25

Which laws would you like Joe to violate? tritsofme Dec 18 #110

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You said you want Joe to "use" his immunity. The only way to do that is to violate federal laws tritsofme Dec 18 #118

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Let the Putin/Musk et al investigations begin NJCher Dec 17 #3

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But what about hard evidence? Polybius Dec 18 #38

Begin BoRaGard Dec 19 #140

From article: dchill Dec 17 #4

K&r questionseverything Dec 18 #5

All of what you posted required physical access to the server Abnredleg Dec 18 #47

You need to show how it COULDN'T have happened. dchill Dec 18 #62

No - I don't have the burden of proof Abnredleg Dec 18 #66

Neither do I. dchill Dec 18 #67

On the Internet that is true Abnredleg Dec 18 #70

DU is not a fucking court of law. dchill Dec 18 #72

I didn't say it was Abnredleg Dec 18 #73

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Actually it's only the reporting page a " hacker" would have to breach questionseverything Dec 18 #84

No Abnredleg Dec 18 #86

You are 2 funny, like you personally oversee every reporting page in the nation questionseverything Dec 18 #89

Vote counting is done with bipartisan observers Abnredleg Dec 18 #90

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Kick. Rec. Bookmark. Hekate Dec 18 #6

Everyone who is still suffering from total disbelief that this could have possibly happened for real BComplex Dec 18 #8

Then why didn't the Democratic Party counter this? Where arthritisR_US Dec 18 #14

Marc Elias KNOWS how it was stolen, but his law firm is putting out a million fires. It's up to the Democratic party BComplex Dec 18 #30

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I'm not sure I understand the point of spreading misinformation about Marc. He's never embraced these denialist tritsofme Dec 18 #109

He most certainly has discussed the many ways in which the republicans stole the election. BComplex Dec 18 #121

Feel free to post a link. He's certainly never endorsed the sort of conspiracy theories in the OP. tritsofme Dec 18 #126

So your theory is the guy famous for fighting for voter rights EdmondDantes_ Dec 18 #125

Are you all ok with this and going to let it stand? arthritisR_US Dec 18 #15

I have written to all the top democrats and insisted that a formal and forensic audit should be done BComplex Dec 18 #31

Very true, but it's frustrating beyond the pale what he's got arthritisR_US Dec 18 #46

Audits are done as part of certification Abnredleg Dec 18 #48

Ok, I am seriously disturbed by this. REALLY fucking disturbed. I trust every poster in this thread (here is a current Celerity Dec 18 #9

Looks like evidence of votes not being counted and called questionseverything Dec 18 #17

Bullet ballot voting was within historical norms Abnredleg Dec 18 #49

These rates in the OP for Trump dropoff are vastly higher than what your link shows. Celerity Dec 18 #54

The OP is breaking votes out by party Abnredleg Dec 18 #59

I am not satisfied it is simply due to party break-out. Those Trump drop off rates are crazy high, certainly not within Celerity Dec 18 #124

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so is the takeaway that votes were taken from Harris somehow in these states? (nt) cadoman Dec 18 #10

The numbers do not rule that out. dchill Dec 18 #13

is a statistical abnormality evidence of fraud? tfg claimed the same cadoman Dec 18 #29

If that argument is logical to you NJCher Dec 18 #33

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The difference is Georgia was hand counted so we had some physical proof tfg lost questionseverything Dec 18 #107

The voting machines were secure when that guy was in charge of the election in 2020. Trump fired him before BComplex Dec 18 #58

Wisconsin would need less than 9 votes per precinct to change result questionseverything Dec 18 #18

No Abnredleg Dec 18 #60

Thank you! Bookmarked to read tomorrow. Silver Gaia Dec 18 #11

Why wasn't this information out there the day after the election? arthritisR_US Dec 18 #12

The official numbers don't come out right away questionseverything Dec 18 #19

A timely manner? You have an autocratic coming into office arthritisR_US Dec 18 #20

I just mean they did a huge amount of work quickly questionseverything Dec 18 #24

It was Abnredleg Dec 18 #50

Aside keepthemhonestO Dec 18 #104

I don't see any sign anyone in the party is going to do anything Meowmee Dec 18 #16

"I don't need your votes. I have enough votes. You'll never have to vote again." Uh huh. Scrivener7 Dec 18 #26

And by accusing democrats of programming the voting machines to count extra votes for Biden, he has admitted BComplex Dec 18 #32

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This is the debunked bullet ballot argument Abnredleg Dec 18 #52

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"just" calling it NJCher Dec 18 #81

I show up with the same argument that Harris and the Democtratic Party makes Abnredleg Dec 18 #85

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Definition of a fair election NJCher Dec 18 #98

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Or this. Musk's 5yo tells us what his dad is doing Babajida Dec 19 #127

Leads me to wonder if there is a "Deeper State" outside the State bucolic_frolic Dec 18 #27

Would it be rude to say "Duh?" dchill Dec 18 #61

Yes but such an entity has never been specified bucolic_frolic Dec 18 #69

What happens if this is proved beyond all doubt... MiHale Dec 18 #28

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Why do you suppose all of those parties are silent and not championing these ridiculous conspiracy theories? tritsofme Dec 18 #113

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It's pretty simple. They are not gullible enough to fall for silly conspiracy theories. tritsofme Dec 19 #131

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You asked why actual credible parties are not seeking "injunctive relief" tritsofme Dec 19 #136

What is a "drop-off" vote, Pew Research says they're people who don't vote consistently in every election I'm thinking uponit7771 Dec 18 #34

It's the difference between votes for President and down ballot races Abnredleg Dec 18 #43

Ah, ... I heard they were called bullet ballots uponit7771 Dec 18 #55

They've repackaged the bullet ballot argument /NT Abnredleg Dec 18 #57

What they are saying is the senate race had many more votes than the presidential race questionseverything Dec 18 #83

They only came to that conclusion because they ignored the idea that split ticket voting occurs MichMan Dec 18 #102

Ok, this is a data point FHRRK Dec 18 #35

I don't understand this... LeftInTX Dec 18 #45

It's undervoting Abnredleg Dec 18 #53

Oh........ LeftInTX Dec 18 #56

You said, as you go down the list there are more undervotes questionseverything Dec 18 #87

Which 4 states are you referring to? MichMan Dec 18 #103

You need to read the material you are disputing questionseverything Dec 18 #106

Which is a completely disingenuous analysis that proves absolutely nothing MichMan Dec 18 #108

We are free to disagree questionseverything Dec 18 #112

All I want for Christmas is the DoJ to investigate this. redqueen Dec 18 #51

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"What part of the spectrum of Ds does that originate from?" Sympthsical Dec 18 #65

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If reality feels mean, I don't know what to tell you Sympthsical Dec 18 #78

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I think it would be nice if NJCher Dec 18 #82

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It's the chicken wire and charcoal fluid of statistics Sympthsical Dec 18 #117

Agreed DET Dec 18 #76

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I agree keepthemhonestO Dec 18 #105

Numbers they provide don't make any sense when compared with actual state results MichMan Dec 18 #64

They cherry-picked to maximize suspicion Sympthsical Dec 18 #68

Sorry, I don't admire anyone who manipulates and misrepresents data to fit their agenda and rile up gullible people MichMan Dec 18 #71

I meant I admire your attempt Sympthsical Dec 18 #74

Of course the election results were manipulated. SheltieLover Dec 18 #101

I won't say they were obviously manipulated but questionseverything Dec 18 #111

I'm definitely convinced SheltieLover Dec 19 #133

I agree it certainly looks like it was stolen and I agree it's past time for hand counts questionseverything Dec 19 #137

That was the exact argument Trumpers made four years ago. It's not any stronger today. tritsofme Dec 19 #132

Don't underestimate the number of gullible people out there MichMan Dec 18 #114

Duck Typing Metaphorical Dec 18 #122

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Shitler kept insisting that the election was stolen from him. love_katz Dec 19 #128

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What is disheartening Babajida Dec 19 #129

What would you like Democrats to fight against? Reality? tritsofme Dec 19 #134

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