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sir pball

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10. The *entire* problem is repeating handguns shooting rifle ammo, period. They should be NFA'ed.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 11:19 AM
Mar 2015

You don't need the hypothetical of "rapid firing into one spot on a police officers bullet vest, to penetrate the vest" - even with the reduced energy of a short barrel, at any kind of reasonable shootout range, all commercially available .223 ammunition, utterly regardless of bullet design, is going to penetrate soft body armor with a single hit. It (the armor) is simply not designed nor marketed as any kind of proof against rifle fire; it's intended to stop lower-velocity larger-caliber pistol rounds and that's the long and the short of it.

That being said, I think any repeating rifle-caliber firearm with a barrel less than 16" should be immediately and retroactively classified as a Short-Barreled Rifle under the NFA regardless of the absence of a stock - that will meaningfully ensure the safety of law enforcement. I don't support the proposed restriction not out of any nuttery (frankly, SS109 is pretty crap ammo), but because it has absolutely no positive effect whatsoever on public safety (it might actually be negative, if people start to believe that soft armor is some magical proof against rifles), while whipping up the frothing "DEY TUK OUR GUNZ" crowd seemingly even more effectively than a proposed AWB.

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I have to be contrary on this one KellyW Mar 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #2
Why don't we ban the manufacture of pistols that fire rifle cartridges? indie9197 Mar 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #4
Profits on M855 green tip ammo is up 40% KellyW Mar 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #7
handguns shooting AR15 bullets, problems therein jimmy the one Mar 2015 #8
The *entire* problem is repeating handguns shooting rifle ammo, period. They should be NFA'ed. sir pball Mar 2015 #10
This ammunition is totally useless. flamin lib Mar 2015 #6
politifact fact checked it jimmy the one Mar 2015 #9
The ATF is suspending the proposal Amishman Mar 2015 #11
suspended, fear of rabies jimmy the one Mar 2015 #20
Just as a matter of fact, banning this bullet would do nothing... Adrahil Mar 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #13
There is no need to be rude. Adrahil Mar 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #15
Then you will continue to fail. Adrahil Mar 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #17
Insult, Insult, Insult. What a pleasant person you are. Adrahil Mar 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #19
If you are going to define all gun owners as the enemy.... Adrahil Mar 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Mar 2015 #22
Yes it is frustrating that some don’t want to have any discussion of tactics KellyW Mar 2015 #23
Bill, could you please put Adrahil on your ignore list? They haven't done anything worth blocking Electric Monk Mar 2015 #24
Restrictions based on the actual cartridge the "handgun" fires would be better IMO.. sir pball Mar 2015 #25
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