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highplainsdem

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33. OK. I can see that the jury system can sometimes be faster than moderators quickly responding to
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 04:34 PM
Sep 2024

an alert, especially if any discussion of what to do is required instead of moderators acting quickly when they see a clear violation. But often quick editing of a problem post is a much better response than simply removing the post - especially if a fairly low number of removed posts can.result in permanent suspension.

You do need experienced moderators, though.

accusations of moderator bias


There's jury bias, too. There wouldn't be a jury blocklist at all if there wasn't. And the more heated any debate on DU, the more likely some people are to abuse the jury system to go after others. I've never forgotten a thread I saw here where there was open discussion by some DUers who'd been here for years about trying to get rid of another DUer who'd been here for years by alerting on all their posts for any possible reason in the hope of rolling the dice enough and getting enough hides to get them FFR'd.

Nor have I forgotten how often I had posts alerted on in the 2019-2020 primaries forum. I'd get email about many of the alerts, along with guesses about who was alerting.

It's a crowdsourced substitute for moderation, but it has plenty of flaws.

There are significantly fewer alerts and removed posts under the current Jury system


I suspect one reason there are fewer alerts is that unless the motivation is animosity toward the DUer being alerted on, most DUers DON'T want to alert on a problem post or vote to remove it if that makes it at all likely that DUer will be suspended. There have been a lot of times I've refrained from alerting on a post for that reason, and I even emailed you about one when it was a newcomer I didn't want to see get a hide even though they'd ignored advice on the board (and you told me to alert on them).

I wish the number of hidden posts resulting in an FFR resulted in only a temporary suspension, with that DUer then offered a second chance (but that second chance allowing for more than one hide before a second, permanent suspension).

Moderators who are in contact with people posting messages that are problematic can get a much better sense of which ones are trolls or unable to adapt to a forum's rules than random DUers on a jury are likely to have.

But again, it takes experienced moderators.

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Usually gets covered under the 'RW memes' or Conspiracy theories types alerts... hlthe2b Jul 2024 #1
Wishful thinking, not right wing memes nor conspiracy theories CloudWatcher Aug 2024 #19
That's a good point, a "mis/dis-information" alert definition. Think. Again. Jul 2024 #2
Many alert categories are fairly subjective so it would be no different. nt Maru Kitteh Jul 2024 #4
Agreed, especially since one prolific newcomer seems intent on spreading disinformation Maru Kitteh Jul 2024 #3
can certainly understand your thrust stopdiggin Jul 2024 #5
See my suggestion, reply#13 consider_this Jul 2024 #15
I agree. Please. It's getting out of hand and it's not a good look for us. ms liberty Jul 2024 #6
I think maybe that was the point Skittles Sep 2024 #45
That's tricky birdographer Jul 2024 #7
See my suggestion, reply#13 consider_this Jul 2024 #16
The most important thing to do is post the facts in a response. That gets noticed quickly if enough people say, Silent Type Jul 2024 #8
Usually, that would work, but in one specific case... TwilightZone Jul 2024 #9
Well, yeah, that would tick me off too. Silent Type Jul 2024 #10
We seem to have lots of folks willing to rec anything that makes them feel good. CloudWatcher Aug 2024 #20
It'd be difficult because who's providing the "truth"? The jury is not be able to do research. live love laugh Jul 2024 #11
I agree with others who say it's probably not logistically possible, but I get your sentiment. orange jar Jul 2024 #12
This idea might work... consider_this Jul 2024 #13
"If a post could be alerted for false info, an area is provided to state why or link to proof" progree Jul 2024 #17
Entirely agree dpibel Sep 2024 #24
there r a couple rules that dont trigger a ffr. like copyright or wrong forum. mopinko Jul 2024 #14
It would be a nice, and needed (imo), feature. demmiblue Aug 2024 #18
at least some indication that it matters, at all PedroXimenez Aug 2024 #21
Still needs to be addressed, for all the reasons stated. I am quite distressed at the number of times ... Hekate Sep 2024 #22
It's a difficult problem to deal with in a forum like this one where people are in basic agreement on so highplainsdem Sep 2024 #25
TY, hpd, for a long & thoughtful response. It's going to get more complicated with AI... Hekate Sep 2024 #27
I don't know. There have been bots posting on Twitter, even from verified accounts, exposed at times highplainsdem Sep 2024 #29
Quick response to the question: EarlG Sep 2024 #31
OK. I can see that the jury system can sometimes be faster than moderators quickly responding to highplainsdem Sep 2024 #33
Well, no offense, but ironically there's a lot of misinformation in your post that I need to correct EarlG Sep 2024 #35
No, I didn't contradict myself. highplainsdem Sep 2024 #36
You're correct EarlG Sep 2024 #37
I'm sorry. I hadn't realized it had become that nightmarish a situation for you, Skinner and the mods. highplainsdem Sep 2024 #39
I get a good explanation of the alert on every jury I get called to and there are a lot of alerts lately ... marble falls Sep 2024 #41
Kicking. We still have this problem, y'all. ms liberty Sep 2024 #23
As long as it is demonstrably untrue. Opinions unfortunately are more difficult. And most of politics is opinion. Silent Type Sep 2024 #26
Alternative facts are not a thing at DU -- and that's what we are talking about Hekate Sep 2024 #28
Unfortunately there is not a way to do this, at least not the way you're imagining it EarlG Sep 2024 #30
Re what you said about fact-checking just via replies... highplainsdem Sep 2024 #32
There IS a quick way to deal with misinformation EarlG Sep 2024 #34
Thanks for addressing this, and I see that Rubyshoo's been ppr'd ms liberty Sep 2024 #38
And don't forget: use that alert button as necessary. marble falls Sep 2024 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2024 #40
How about a fact-checking team, Ms. Toad Sep 2024 #43
this makes sense to me Skittles Sep 2024 #44
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