History of Feminism

redqueen

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4. This comment from the replies there spells it out well.

Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:58 AM

Jul 2014

there is a huge difference between the truly ignorant and the douchebag who uses it as a tactic to undermine feminist points of view. I felt like Lindy was addressing the latter here. I have had some pretty interesting exchanges with dudes who literally did not know what I was talking about until I took 17,000 steps back to explain it to them. There are a lot of mixed messages floating around about the extent to which the feminist project is completed and whether we live in a post-sexist world, so I can't blame people who would only be very mildly affected by feminism or sexism for their ignorance. They literally don't know what they don't know and you do have to point them in the right direction.

Others know exactly what they are doing and see feigning ignorance as a tactic to undermine feminist efforts. And they can fuck right off.

People in the other thread were talking about trusting women to know the difference.

Here's the thing though, even if they're wrong and they ignore some well meaning soul's expectation to be spoon fed some basic information, so what? Will the world end?

Why so much outrage over the fact that women might not be picture-perfect ambassadors for feminism?

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"Quit Fucking Asking Me Questions: A Refresher Course" [View all] redqueen Jul 2014 OP

"But here's the thing: you're not." JTFrog Jul 2014 #1

it is easily recognized whent he person is actually given the info, chooses to ignore the info, to seabeyond Jul 2014 #2

This comment from the replies there spells it out well. redqueen Jul 2014 #4

what is relly the hoot is the demand of all women to educate adn the voicing crying feminists are seabeyond Jul 2014 #7

this^ so much^ this .... and especially this = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #11

point. as they yell... i am a woman and i say, i feel sorry for men. lol. oh vey. lol. hear me seabeyond Jul 2014 #12

So tired of it all. And watching it happen in HoF is really just wearing me down. It can happen ALL Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #14

"Post-sexist world?" malthaussen Jul 2014 #8

An excellent observation nt redqueen Jul 2014 #9

Which stresses the need for education... malthaussen Jul 2014 #13

Well there's an assumption there that the ignorant want to learn. redqueen Jul 2014 #19

Mmm, I was thinking from the top-down rather than bottom-up. malthaussen Jul 2014 #22

And my view is that if they think so, they have not been listening to feminists. redqueen Jul 2014 #25

i have to tell my boys, i was raised in a time i could not get a credit card in my name. it was seabeyond Jul 2014 #10

Being a child of white-boy privilege... malthaussen Jul 2014 #16

Great post ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #18

Yeah, kind of ties in with yours downthread.:) malthaussen Jul 2014 #20

Aside from ass kissing or kicking though, there is listening... redqueen Jul 2014 #24

I'd say that goes without saying... malthaussen Jul 2014 #27

See, I am a member of the new younger generation. F4lconF16 Jul 2014 #31

i have to believe that also. it is such in your face. everywhere. seabeyond Jul 2014 #32

A third alternative would wilfully ingenuous. malthaussen Jul 2014 #39

Being disingenuous is often the opening to a Socratic line... malthaussen Jul 2014 #3

Bingo! redqueen Jul 2014 #5

thats it. that is the different approach. those that are immediately trying to seabeyond Jul 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #15

Damn that was good ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #17

"They haven't learned because they haven't bothered to learn." redqueen Jul 2014 #44

The thing that struck me in a subthread conversation on that last thread was this: imagine saying Squinch Jul 2014 #21

I've often thought the same thing, Squinch. malthaussen Jul 2014 #26

What is shocking to me is that I have never quite put two and two together and thought that before. Squinch Jul 2014 #28

That's what makes epiphanies so much fun. malthaussen Jul 2014 #30

i would rather live ina kind of fake than the brutal reality. why? cause the more people show seabeyond Jul 2014 #33

A lot of the rules of common courtesy were designed to keep us from ripping each other's lungs out.. malthaussen Jul 2014 #40

And that is why it is insulting the way things Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #34

Well that I've always known. The fact that feminists here have to constantly justify their Squinch Jul 2014 #35

Amen Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #36

you are so right on. and you point there in the initial post. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #37

... or you have something invested in not understanding it. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #45

Thank you for the "Derailing for Dummies." ancianita Jul 2014 #23

My pleasure redqueen Jul 2014 #43

This explains it well JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #29

I'm glad I went ahead and posted it. redqueen Jul 2014 #42

thank you for restating your concerns in this post awake Jul 2014 #38

I'm so glad to know it was helpful. redqueen Jul 2014 #41