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BainsBane

(55,817 posts)
7. Hold on
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 04:37 AM
Feb 2014

In a case where there is no accusation of rape, there is no reason to lump it together with cases in which a complainant reports an assault. That is a clear distinction.

Secondly. Rape is a matter of law. Certainly pedophiles commonly think there is nothing wrong with what they do. That is the nature of their sickness. That doesn't make it so. It is black and white. Raping a child is a horrendous crime. Touching a child sexually is a crime. Fondling a child is a crime. Period. One is either a pedophile or not a pedophile. One rapes minors or one does not have sex with minors.

Rape of a adult is also a crime. Whether a man believes he was entitled to compel a woman to have sex is irrelevant. Whether he thinks she owes him sex because he bought her dinner, or finds her drunk to the point of incoherence and thinks he can "score" doesn't matter. What matters is whether both parties consent. That's it. Nothing else.

This shit about not being black and white is wrong. There is nothing complicated about knowing if a woman wants to have sex. She tells you so. If she doesn't say yes, no sex. Period. It's not rocket science. Yes means yes. No means no. Silence does not equal consent. Silence means no. Period.

Whether the predator "disagrees honestly" is entirely irrelevant. He committed a crime and should be punished. You are going to have your ass handed to you in the morning. You picked the wrong place to make that argument. Did you pay attention to where you are posting?

What you described in your post is a clear demonstration of why sexual assault goes unpunished. They give the "benefit of the doubt" to the accused and treat the victim as inferior, as though she is unworthy, as though her word means nothing. That is rape culture itself. That bullshit about "honestly disagreeing" is horrifying. You seriously need to rethink that.

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Not if they don't want to believe. elleng Feb 2014 #1
The vast majority of cases of rape are real /nt lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #2
Yet why every time a case arises BainsBane Feb 2014 #3
Sex is, and always has been, a somewhat dangerous pastime. reusrename Feb 2014 #4
It is a serious mistake to conflate sex and rape BainsBane Feb 2014 #5
Yes, it's a very serious mistake. reusrename Feb 2014 #6
Hold on BainsBane Feb 2014 #7
I agree with most of what you said, so I'll just address where we disagree. reusrename Feb 2014 #8
A moral issue of what is appropriate BainsBane Feb 2014 #23
Are you saying rape victims are often disbelieved because *rarely*, rape cases are used redqueen Feb 2014 #11
Indeed. BainsBane Feb 2014 #25
Yes. That's exactly the point I am making. reusrename Feb 2014 #28
My point was simply that the vast majority of people wo are raped or report rape are valid. What lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #10
I hope you're right about the majority of DU BainsBane Feb 2014 #24
That judge seems like a gem. He read between the lines, and made provisions to Squinch Feb 2014 #9
"But I am frankly terrified for those two children he is raising with Soon-Yi." Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #14
well-said n/t zazen Feb 2014 #26
Face It, Baines - Some people love to wallow in it. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #12
And some will always believe a man over a girl or woman BainsBane Feb 2014 #13
There are a few on here that, yes ... if you or sea said "water is wet" they Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #15
Typically there are no links BainsBane Feb 2014 #16
yes, the peanut gallery. Those few that do provide links, I have more respect for them. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #17
If someone is on topic, cool BainsBane Feb 2014 #18
This = Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #19
If Dylan Farrow was a boy instead of a girl, do you think the accusations would Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #20
Yes BainsBane Feb 2014 #21
if the molester was a woman instead of a man..... lol, nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #22
No. Agschmid Feb 2014 #27
Yes. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #32
Obviously not gaspee Feb 2014 #29
Some of them are just women-hating trolls. They don't bother me as much as the ones Squinch Feb 2014 #31
Rape is almost legal gollygee Feb 2014 #30
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