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seabeyond

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143. i was thinking about this. watching both boys walk into manhood. one is 19, well on his way.

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:26 AM

Dec 2013

certainly in a feminist home. i was strongly the primary parent. defining their masculinity was theirs to do. not mine. not their father. not society and media. and not peers. but theirs. they have done such a good job.

there is nothing that could make them feel feminize. reading your statement.

maybe why these men are feeling masculinity is being feminized is because they are literally threatened in the manliness with an empowered female. has nothing to do with others. has nothing to do with women. has everything to do with these men loose their identity with a strong, confident, secure, competent woman.

my boys never would. a woman is not tied to their identity of gender. nor you

so most men are saying huh....

it is very real to these men.

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What's the tell that lets you know you are dealing with an MRA? [View all] boston bean Dec 2013 OP

Basically insisting that men are oppressed BainsBane Dec 2013 #1

Men actually are oppressed--just not for being men eridani Dec 2013 #94

This idea always compels me to ask: xulamaude Dec 2013 #97

But there's no such thing as patriarchy, right? eridani Dec 2013 #106

nice guy argument. expecting hot gal and denied. seabeyond Dec 2013 #2

was that one per post? lol boston bean Dec 2013 #3

sorry. i am getting bad not reading all a post. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #4

I was just kidding around! boston bean Dec 2013 #24

lol. so you do not want them all in individual posts? cause i can keep going. lmao seabeyond Dec 2013 #26

false rape claim 45-75% seabeyond Dec 2013 #5

rape decline 80% in last two decades. now hearing 60% seabeyond Dec 2013 #6

patronizing. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #7

using the tone card. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #8

Pardon the question, what is MRA? Demeter Dec 2013 #9

men right activist that is spreading pretty hard, fast. a lot of the net, but getting into RL. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #10

The response posted is not viewable by me...I have that person on Ignore Demeter Dec 2013 #22

lmfao. you have me on ignore and you come in here for a chat on mra. lol. so seabeyond Dec 2013 #27

How lovely for you. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #28

Actually, most of the posts on this thread are blocked by my Ignore list Demeter Dec 2013 #29

Which of course thoroughly explains why you are here in the first place. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #30

I have to disagree with you there. I have learned a lot from the members of this group. Squinch Dec 2013 #69

Good ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #83

Ooooo lookie! It's all about Demeter now!! xulamaude Dec 2013 #75

You are right, I'll fix that immediately Demeter Dec 2013 #77

Just saying that all of the attention turned to you xulamaude Dec 2013 #84

to answer you question - MRA = Men's Rights Activist (male or female) Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #32

Thanks! Demeter Dec 2013 #34

yw, Demeter. Good to see you in here. I value the contributions you make in our Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #35

I think maybe Demeter is in the wrong group. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #42

me thinks... lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #44

yes, I saw the post. ugh. it was not "nice". I agree. Trying to give a benefit of doubt here ... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #48

All of that may be true, and wouldn't it be nice? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #51

I agree, Sheldon. but, Demeter did not so much as attack as stated the fact that someone is on Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #57

i apprecaite sheldon saying there should be one place, but i demand, INSIST that you always be true seabeyond Dec 2013 #58

thank you, sea. - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #66

when you friggin have everyone on ignore, how would you expect content. lol. oh my.... nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #40

obviously you dont have me on ignore. boston bean Dec 2013 #36

Thanks! Demeter Dec 2013 #37

that would be up to you. boston bean Dec 2013 #39

virgin/whore argument. seabeyond Dec 2013 #11

all women are prostitutes (and they do not use that word) one way or another seabeyond Dec 2013 #12

no rape culture seabeyond Dec 2013 #13

it is biological/dna. evo psych seabeyond Dec 2013 #14

feminists has feminized men seabeyond Dec 2013 #15

I see you had the same idea before I did. nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #54

Yeah, I'm not a meathead but I feel I'm plenty "masculine" despite any feminist influences nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #141

i was thinking about this. watching both boys walk into manhood. one is 19, well on his way. seabeyond Dec 2013 #143

or looking how gender is become more fluid, they are not seeing enough john waynes out there. seabeyond Dec 2013 #144

Other people gaining strength and power doesn't diminish anyone else. The opposite if anything. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #145

feminists want to rule over men seabeyond Dec 2013 #16

feminists are man haters seabeyond Dec 2013 #17

feminists are frigid, prudes, anti sex, jealous, hairy, ugly, fundamentalists, seabeyond Dec 2013 #18

feminists say all men are rapists. seabeyond Dec 2013 #19

women teachers side with girls making it a hostile environment for boys in school. seabeyond Dec 2013 #20

no men elementary teachers cause they are afraid of being accused of pedophilia seabeyond Dec 2013 #21

women have 60% of the wealth seabeyond Dec 2013 #23

women only want rich men to take care of them seabeyond Dec 2013 #25

Well, around DU it seems they spend more time advocating against women than for men. Scuba Dec 2013 #31

the negative energy ... Against Women as opposed to positive energy For Men. yes. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #38

that is a good one. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #41

Well, that's the defining characteristic as I see it here on DU Warpy Dec 2013 #85

Yep etherealtruth Dec 2013 #136

What sea said. All of it. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #33

redq is the one that knows... she can tick them off with articulate, concise thought. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #61

women start the violence more than men or they provoke the man to violence seabeyond Dec 2013 #43

rape laws are picking on mens rights. (for real) seabeyond Dec 2013 #45

feminism is dead. seabeyond Dec 2013 #46

which is a contradicition to feminism is causing all the world ills. but contradictions are thru MR seabeyond Dec 2013 #47

If we are not Third Wave, we are not True Feminists. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #49

close boston bean Dec 2013 #50

yes, Third Wave. Thanks. I will edit my post. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #52

It's funny but I didn't even know about waves until I started reading about it here. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #55

that is why i differeniate the argument from MRA. they probably do not even know. i too, seabeyond Dec 2013 #60

It may not actually be a product xulamaude Dec 2013 #73

can you expand on this, please ... I am not understanding what you are saying: Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #110

RQ says most of what I meant xulamaude Dec 2013 #112

Third Wave is too complicated and schizo. Ugh. Fragments and divides us. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #114

It's interesting that you say that - xulamaude Dec 2013 #115

It is like where racism and sexism intersect, or something. I am not sure I am grasping the Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #116

I'm not familiar with the 4th wave. xulamaude Dec 2013 #118

just what I have read on here. sea has posted about it and here is a link from MadrasT Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #120

ha ha. i just posted the same article. but... i am leaving mine cause it has pictures. lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #122

well then, can you tell me if I am understanding Third Wave -at all- ?? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #125

yes. but my son is home and all he does is talk, lol lol. be back in a moment. all morning seabeyond Dec 2013 #126

Thanks :) nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #123

yw ... and now it is here With Pictures! Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #127

The fourth wave of feminism: meet the rebel women seabeyond Dec 2013 #121

Thanks Sea :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #124

I get them confused. Deep13 Dec 2013 #56

1st wave the vote. for the most part. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #62

So that brings us to the 1920s in this country. Deep13 Dec 2013 #67

correct. though, they have pretty much turned their back on 3rd wave. they say it is a fail. seabeyond Dec 2013 #68

i almost put that. but.. why i did not is it is not so much the MRA argument but progressive male seabeyond Dec 2013 #59

really? interesting ... an MRA would not like a third wave feminist? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #76

i have not heard of any mra distinguish between the two, nor suggest a preference for any seabeyond Dec 2013 #78

yes, I have seen that cartoon, funny. yes. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #89

It depends on how you're using "third wave feminist" really. redqueen Dec 2013 #93

thank you for clarifying Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #111

society has been feminized--and not in a good way. Deep13 Dec 2013 #53

men should not have to pay child support seabeyond Dec 2013 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Dec 2013 #64

A friend of mine from high school says that very thing he's on his sixth marriage and has seven kids LanternWaste Dec 2013 #117

ya know. i was just having a conversation with son about how... if listening to within, seabeyond Dec 2013 #119

men should have a say if a fetus is kept or not seabeyond Dec 2013 #65

stating "no mra's on du" niyad Dec 2013 #70

that one really made me laugh out loud. and... seabeyond Dec 2013 #71

"Feminists are the reason men are opting out of marriage" Squinch Dec 2013 #72

follow up... brb seabeyond Dec 2013 #79

Women's "value" declines as they age. redqueen Dec 2013 #80

feminists are why men are opting out of life, live in basment eating cheetos, playing computer games seabeyond Dec 2013 #81

Fewer men are getting college degrees because feminism. redqueen Dec 2013 #82

You can get this on a tee shirt ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #86

Also, manboobz.com has a glossary of MRA terminology redqueen Dec 2013 #88

Hmmm ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #92

evil harpie looks good on you. i go more for badass seabeyond Dec 2013 #95

Well-- in that case ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #96

showing her feminine side. seabeyond Dec 2013 #100

Nice! ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #103

How about xulamaude Dec 2013 #101

I love that movie ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #105

excellent. that is what i metioned above. many of the talking points are contradiction. i like seabeyond Dec 2013 #90

Men have a biological need to have sex with women. redqueen Dec 2013 #87

Men and Women have a need for Companionship Demeter Dec 2013 #98

Inflated vocabulary and syntax - xulamaude Dec 2013 #91

verbose, yes. a wall of text. ugh. --- Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #99

I think there is a conflation of MRA and sexism and misogyny more generally BainsBane Dec 2013 #102

i do not think it is all mra that they put up in defining them. but the arguments they make. seabeyond Dec 2013 #104

I think I have to disagree, these are all arguments MRA's make. boston bean Dec 2013 #107

My take: Not all misogynists are MRAs, but all MRAs are misogynists, redqueen Dec 2013 #130

Obviously untrue statistics gollygee Dec 2013 #108

Women who are bothered by it probably are not the ones being hit on or ogled... Phentex Dec 2013 #109

Ah, yes, the 'you're just jealous' gambit. xulamaude Dec 2013 #113

He don't like how femunists A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #128

ha ha ha ha ha ha. food for thought, huh? actually i was just thinking about that seabeyond Dec 2013 #129

! redqueen Dec 2013 #131

Poor use of evopsych to mansplain something to us of inferior intellect. Dash87 Dec 2013 #132

'Women only like rich guys and assholes.' Dash87 Dec 2013 #133

you are into this. you know what really gets me about this argument? they talk "hawt" seabeyond Dec 2013 #134

That I hate men and sex. Texasgal Dec 2013 #135

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #137

Yup.. Agschmid Dec 2013 #138

Oh yes cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #139

oh, the friend zone is something we were missing. and fedora? i heard something about that seabeyond Dec 2013 #140

Saying that feminist organizations skew stats to pump up donations. Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #142