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redqueen

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Thu Dec 26, 2013, 04:36 PM Dec 2013

The Tone Argument is sure being flung around here a lot lately. [View all]

I guess the real problem is, feminists just keep getting so angry about feminist issues. It makes people decide they don't want fight to misogyny after all, because those angry feminists were so impolite.

Then someone comes along and hurls the tone argument, trying to silence the angry feminists, saying that anger about feminist issues isn't productive.

Apparently, the most important thing when fighting misogyny isn't addressing actual oppression, it's really more about not hurting the feelings of those who don't see the misogyny to begin with.




The fact that the people using the tone argument have worked so hard to ignore gazillions of thoughtful arguments in order to pick on the people who are fed up with having to explain the same basic things gazillions of times? Well that's not exactly a convincing act. Not by a longshot. Not likely to inspire many to extend any effort toward kindly and gently leading anyone to any knowledge when it's been ignored plenty of times already before the angry uppity feminists get all mean and hostile.



What really stands out to me is the incredible privilege of those who assume that their hurt feelings and irritation should outweigh a discussion of oppression. If they really cared about the issue, they'd focus on the content. They'd understand that it's not about them.

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Yes, yes it is. JTFrog Dec 2013 #1
Yep. One popular tactic here is to otherize the bartering. redqueen Dec 2013 #3
Exactly. n/t JTFrog Dec 2013 #5
"has no intention of ever agreeing or supporting in any way." we all know it. it was been repeatedly seabeyond Dec 2013 #6
it is worse than that. even laughing while posting i am accused of anger and being offended. seabeyond Dec 2013 #2
And they're so *attacked*, sea! redqueen Dec 2013 #9
Funny how the people who accuse you of being "angry" seem filled with rage themselves nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #35
Puts on most patronising voice possible intaglio Dec 2013 #4
gosh.... you are making me laugh, smile growing.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #7
I know Sea ... intaglio Dec 2013 #8
i luv my guys. and there are a good 5 men to every one female in my family. seabeyond Dec 2013 #10
LOL, true. redqueen Dec 2013 #11
And that's irritating too ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #18
The "nurses not fighters" trope micturates me off too intaglio Dec 2013 #29
Meh ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #12
I was just thinking of those flinging the tone argument. redqueen Dec 2013 #13
I agree ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #14
Matriarchal societies!! xulamaude Dec 2013 #15
Right? I couldn't even ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #16
but but but beginning of time was this, that is why we are today. has nothing to do with societal seabeyond Dec 2013 #17
I believe some Native American groups BainsBane Dec 2013 #26
"What I think is there are legitimate hurt feelings" NuclearDem Dec 2013 #19
Well said! ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #20
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And saying something stupid or ignorant doesn't make you a terrible person. Just human and fallible. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #36
People are allowed to say stupid and ignorant things all the time. That is their right to remain Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #38
It has nothing to do with tone BainsBane Dec 2013 #21
And hell, many people think restrictions on choice are A-OK. redqueen Dec 2013 #23
It's deliberately dishonest BainsBane Dec 2013 #25
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Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #31
I never claimed to speak on behalf of anyone but myself, but you are doing so right now BainsBane Dec 2013 #32
more than likely he does have an account, it's probably a sock of one who is blocked from posting boston bean Dec 2013 #33
I just sent a PM to someone in MIRT BainsBane Dec 2013 #34
I saw that from one of the eager female cohorts. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #22
I've seen it from a few people eager to change the subject. redqueen Dec 2013 #24
It's just awful to "attack" men BainsBane Dec 2013 #27
All I can say is, it's a bullshit argument. JTFrog Dec 2013 #37
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