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In reply to the discussion: If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all]RC
(25,592 posts)34. There needs to be a part six
Part six: I'm Sorry That You Are in Pain, But Please Stop Taking It Out on Men
Explaining why some women are their own worst enemy, when it comes to relationships.
Most of us men are NOT the problem, until you make it self-fulfilling. Stop painting the men you come across with a broad brush. We are as individual as women are. If all, or most of the men in your life treat you badly, for whatever reason, you should go look in the mirror for that reason. Either you are looking in the wrong places for men friends/relationships, or... You are the problem and they are just reacting to the way YOU are treating them.
I know what I am talking about here. I was in a relationship once (Just once) where i thought everything was just fine for several years. And every this was good. Then the mind games started. I had trouble accepting, as in, wrapping my mind around, what she was doing. There was a 3 minute Dating party, that fell through for her, only because 2 men she had invited, failed to show up. The party itself went fine. A couple of other times we went shopping for whatever. The real reason being, so she could scope out a salesman she was interested in. Or the weekend I went to visit my Dad, who lived 200 miles away. She ask me to pickup some brand of coffee they did not sell in Fargo. She chose this weekend to entertain her new boyfriend. I found out when I got back. Then there was all the piddly stuff in between, I have since forgotten.
This was the only women I needed counseling to uncouple from. I had trouble believing anyone could treat anyone else with this level of disrespect, when I had done nothing to deserve it.
Why was she like this? Because she had been in an emotionally and physically abusive, 20 year marriage and she absolutely refused to get help, counseling. I even offered to pay for it. No dice. And I am sure that my first name and he ex's first name being the same, didn't help any.
I paid the price, as did several other men she dated. She could only hold it together for so long, till the pressure built up. What made it worse was she could not let go of me because I treated her with respect. I specifically ask her once and she told me there were 3 or 4 men that treated her well, as I did. I don't emotionally abuse people. That is not my nature.
She would call me many months or even a year later, wanting to see me again. She was a good talker. This one relationship has made me sensitive to the danger signs. (There is a group here on DU loudly posting with those danger signs.) My advantage is, I see people as individuals. Women are people. Men are people. All people are individuals.
Now back to the modified excerpt: When one person with unresolved issues gets into a relationship, they spread their damage, their baggage, to the other person. It takes a toll on the other person. Now we have two people with problems. All too often, after the breakup, they think they are now OK because the relationship is over. Or 5 years has passed, or whatever. No so. The damage stays with both of them, because they are in denial of even having a problem. It is always the other person/people that has the problem. The baggage builds. Now we have two people in denial spreading their dysfunctions on to others. And back and forth it goes between the genders, as each gets into another relationship. Each always blaming the other gender, the other person, as being the problem. The broad brush --
There is help out there. More people should take advantage of it.
(Just to be clear, this post is not directed at Boston Bean.)
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If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all]
boston bean
Dec 2013
OP
Welp... you called it... I really didn't think it would get this much attention. Certainly struck
boston bean
Dec 2013
#51
Well, up to this point, I was genuinely curious as to what the purpose of your response was.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#11
you fail in communication leaving question to what you aer saying. then you throw a rant when what
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#12
Just as an aside, you should check the group, because the rules for posting differ by group.
spooky3
Dec 2013
#14
oh, the "tone" complaint coupled with "possibly sarcastic" broadbrushing- why not go for a trifecta?
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#131
I have a fantastic progressive friend going through a custody dispute right now
TekGryphon
Dec 2013
#21
you have a friend, going thru a divorce, and obviously on his side, feeling his pain, with no actual
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#35
historically rules of divorce were there to perpetute he system men preferred- dumping the kids on
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#132
you can go into the mens forum, join a thread about how to cheat a wife out of her share of the $
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#31
why would you do this? it is a serious subject. grabbing your popcorn, waiting for entertainment
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#17
Sea I don't see anything nefarious with his posting. I think maybe it is being misinterpreted. He
boston bean
Dec 2013
#18
lol. i do not know either. hence, allowing the poster to clarify. that is the right thing to do,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#22
If you really want a fruitful discussion about feminism I am not sure this is the best way to do it.
yellowcanine
Dec 2013
#23
So, once again: instead of men actually listening to us, and thinking about what we're saying,
Sheldon Cooper
Dec 2013
#26
"Listening" goes both ways. Does disagreement necessarily mean I did not listen?
yellowcanine
Dec 2013
#50
this post is NOT addressing you. obviously. the problem, is men like you do not live in this world
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#29
Ok I do not understand this response - I implied that there IS a need for society to take a
yellowcanine
Dec 2013
#43
"I think most men on THIS site agree with that." 6. at this point, not including you because
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#45
my tone? was not right? i tried. man i tippy toed, i asked questions, i compliment, i embraced you
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#53
you ask. that is good. so i will answer. women consistently, continually hear we would be more
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#47
btw... you will take note how this whole issue is talking about this issue with you, and not
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#49
with respect, the sad truth is that you are more the exception, not the rule
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#54
well fuck. k. basics. you dismissed everything i said and became accusatory and defensive. a man
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#66
this is a discussion board, what are they supposed to do then, just STFU? nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#67
This facile understanding of what feminism is about has been fostered by many well-meaning women.
redqueen
Dec 2013
#182
exactly redq. i say, that is the easy stuff. womens right. feminism is the hard stuff.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#184
i hear ya. it is silly and immature for men to immerse themselves in this mentality.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#30
a lot if this stuff is just over my head. if i am hated by virtue being born
geckosfeet
Dec 2013
#33
so... you did walk in merely to disrupt in your cryptic post. bat signal go out? i see RC here
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#36
my posts to you = hate? really? calling you out for purposely being disruptive and disrespectful
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#176
good way to illustrate why some individuals are dismissed as fools and losers, thank you.
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#133
Thanks to you as well for demonstrating the need for articles such as the OP.
redqueen
Dec 2013
#174
as usual i stopped reading with your offensive first sentence. you do not belong in this group. your
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#37
i do not care where the Op was. you are adult enough, and capable enough to simply look
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#42
boston... as a member of this group, and probably the first time ever, i ask you consider banning
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#38
thank you geek. he is very consistent with these insults to us, while pretending not. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#61
yes. he defines feminism and the ones that do not follow his definition have emotional damage.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#87
Yeah, feminists should be deferential to men. They seem to have not gotten that memo. nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#91
yet... you have to continually, always, consistently throw in your jabs toward hof. and why oh why,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#106
You want us to stop recommending threads and have others who haven't ever made a single post in here
boston bean
Dec 2013
#107
so, this is how many posts? you are well aware you are in hof, STILL the insults. ya. get over it
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#113
You are ignoring that you are posting in this group, and insulting the hell out of us.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#114
Like I know, you are always quick to blame but never any self introspection.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#116
scary. reading BB's post above, i just caught a glance and thought rc was telling bb to be .....
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#119
In his mind, he was a briliant ray of positivity.... does he even read what he wrote??
boston bean
Dec 2013
#121
i am telling ya. i haev had two years experience with this dazzling brilliance. and that is exactly
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#124
Yeah, but he has an interest in psychology, and has read books. Therefore, he feels he
Squinch
Dec 2013
#127
or like you said. take responsibility. you insult. dude. that would be negative. all the time,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#118
personally attacking a group of people is not "opinion". it is stepping in and personally attacking
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#110
your one crappy realtionship has nothing to do with the OP. If you actully read it, you would not
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#134
it only took all day for someone to alert? of course it stays. insulting feminists is the in thing
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#138
It not about you or the group. its about DU. I post all leave it juries on which I serve.
aikoaiko
Dec 2013
#143
this is what amazes me. rape, abuse, murder, oppression, submission, subjugated, degraded
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#62
all with expectation of bringing in income while doing all housework, caring of children, feeding
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#64
Oy, so you start with a gender stereotype and then blame women for the stereotype being
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#69
Jesus wept. for real. tragc. just leave the man alone. and assume ALL responsibilities running
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#70
apparently lighting the furnace is an example of gender oppression. who knew?
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#72
btw... i lit the pilot last saturday in game room so a bunch of teenage boys could stay warm.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#73
did you do that on bended knee and a tray of refreshments in your other hand?
boston bean
Dec 2013
#88
nah. these boys love me. follow me around going on and on and on. they just do not see me
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#90
I used to get annoyed by the phrase "What about the menz?" because it seemed overly
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#139
"Why People Being Shitty to You Is Not the Same as You Being Systematically Disenfranchised " Yep.
bettyellen
Dec 2013
#129