History of Feminism

iverglas

(38,549 posts)

4. really?

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:53 AM

Apr 2012

The position that the author of the first piece is presenting is weakened by using such a flawed argument which levels an accusation at every man.

Actually, what it says is, with emphasis to assist (even though you copied it so you must have read it):

I do believe that a lot of men comfort themselves with these types of thoughts

In the History of Feminism group, we really don't need anybody coming along with the same tired old misrepresentation of statements about what a lot of men really and truly do as being condemnations of all men.

People's subconscious beliefs can be elicited in various ways, and you can be very sure that much work has been done to study the subconscious beliefs of men about women.

And now you could try googling "subconscious beliefs" to help you with the rest. In this instance, we are talking about things like how a person may well adhere to values that include the equal worth of every variety of human being, and yet have had ideas about certain categories of people instilled into them so early and so insidiously that they are not consciously aware of them and yet may still be influenced by them.

In fact, ferreting out those ideas on their own part and addressing them is an important task for everyone who does claim to value all human beings equally. And often, it takes having someone else lay out the problem for this to happen. How often have we heard someone say "omg, I didn't realize I was doing that, and now I see what you are saying"?

Well, not often enough, but you see what I'm saying.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

59 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

all women are whores [View all] seabeyond Apr 2012 OP

Towards the end of the first article, the following statement occurs.... xocet Apr 2012 #1

" men constantly write this type of shit all over the internet." seabeyond Apr 2012 #2

No point in trying to improve your argument. Equality is worth defending but not poorly.... n/t xocet Apr 2012 #5

you misfired. you may see it as a way to improve on it. what i see is you making up a reason seabeyond Apr 2012 #8

When read from the outside, what was written comes across very differently. xocet Apr 2012 #14

if women are raised from the time of little girl seabeyond Apr 2012 #15

What is a belief? redqueen Apr 2012 #3

So, there is no point in trying to put the argument on a sounder foundation? n/t xocet Apr 2012 #6

really? iverglas Apr 2012 #4

Hah, that "condemnation of all men" BS reminded me of this: redqueen Apr 2012 #10

Hey, if I am wrong, please enlighten me. What is the best study out there on subconscious xocet Apr 2012 #12

have you ever read this. think about it as your read it. see how many things you recognize in self? seabeyond Apr 2012 #13

No. Those are very good points to consider. xocet Apr 2012 #16

are you seabeyond Apr 2012 #17

Yes. xocet Apr 2012 #32

but see, seabeyond Apr 2012 #33

Here is some stuff.... xocet Apr 2012 #38

I am definitely keeping in mind that you are an outsider to this group iverglas Apr 2012 #21

so it seems that the quibble is iverglas Apr 2012 #24

This is a very interesting article: xocet Apr 2012 #30

you're welcome too iverglas Apr 2012 #31

Leave, disruptor. BlueIris Apr 2012 #34

Since I apologized to everyone else, I'll apologize to you, too. Sorry. It was a misunderstanding. xocet Apr 2012 #39

it's the double standard that both are trapped in iverglas Apr 2012 #7

you are right. and ya, see, i went first a couple decades ago. wasnt so hard. and any man seabeyond Apr 2012 #9

I disagree that men cant really start. redqueen Apr 2012 #11

no, I do agree iverglas Apr 2012 #18

more to lose if they go first... more to gain from the present arrangement seabeyond Apr 2012 #19

This happens to me in real life ALL. THE. TIME. MadrasT Apr 2012 #20

I've been a little lucky iverglas Apr 2012 #22

i literally had men tell me seabeyond Apr 2012 #23

heh, MadrasT's and my exchange in another thread iverglas Apr 2012 #25

exactly. kinda like rachel not dressing like a girl, or whatever. seabeyond Apr 2012 #26

Wow! Good to see such sex positive statements! PassingFair Apr 2012 #27

you had me laughing so hard seabeyond Apr 2012 #28

excellent! n/t Scout Apr 2012 #29

But, but, part of what makes a woman successful BlueIris Apr 2012 #35

IGN agrees, all women are whores redqueen Apr 2012 #36

oh, wow. couldnt get past the video seabeyond Apr 2012 #37

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #40

kicking to see if it will make it to first page. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #41

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #42

I admire how brave you are, seabeyond! marble falls Dec 2014 #43

do you know what name removed said? that hunts down an old OP (that i LOVE) only seabeyond Dec 2014 #44

LOL - nice of name removed to kick this thread. cyberswede Dec 2014 #45

i love this thread. he made me re read. and i kept saying yup. right on. lol seabeyond Dec 2014 #46

It was bad ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #47

i love listening to you seabeyond Dec 2014 #48

LOL mercuryblues Dec 2014 #49

Hey, you were unflagged. Good for you. Got your voice back seabeyond Dec 2014 #50

Hey you! ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #51

Women do it as well, and that's not good either GitRDun Dec 2014 #52

It is a largely male issue ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #53

Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #54

Fuck off hard... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #55

I have a feeling that post is about to go off into Oblivion. nt Mike 03 Sep 2019 #56

hopefully... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #58

It was gone by 5:11 DashOneBravo Sep 2019 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2019 #57