2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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131. As you noted, you were in the minority of the African American community on this issye

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 05:33 PM

Jan 2017

I am amused by your post in that it normally the Sanders supporters telling other African Americans that they had to support Sanders due to his limited role in the civil rights movement. There is a thread on JPR right now attacking Congressman John Lewis for not endorsing Sanders and blaming Lewis for trump winning which has a ton of recommendations.

Do you deny that Sanders attacked President Obama and wanted to primary him in 2012? Were those actions acceptable to you? Do you remember any of the threads on the AA board attacking John Lewis and others for support Clinton? Was it acceptable to you for the Sanders delegates to boo Congressman John Lewis at the national convention? (I was there and I was appalled at the conduct of the Sanders delegates at the convention).

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The Root: Pipe Down, Bernie Sanders [View all] bravenak Jan 2017 OP

He's fighting for us. tecelote Jan 2017 #1

Why does he disparage democrats if he is on our side? bravenak Jan 2017 #3

Mention Bernie on this site and watch out. tecelote Jan 2017 #4

So we cant complain about him but he can complain about us. Got it. He's more important bravenak Jan 2017 #11

Exactly. LisaM Jan 2017 #16

I feel the same way. Seems positively giddy bravenak Jan 2017 #29

Thank you! LisaM Jan 2017 #36

You're not radical noodle Jan 2017 #58

You're not the only one who feels that way. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #102

Ditto. brush Jan 2017 #152

+1 nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #92

It keeps him on the front page and groups keep paying to have him speak. redstatebluegirl Jan 2017 #242

And sells them books too I bet bravenak Jan 2017 #243

You can see that in his subtle "I told you so" post election comments. liquid diamond Jan 2017 #84

You want one of our most vocal progressives to go away womanofthehills Jan 2017 #281

Very PC otohara Jan 2017 #86

Oh, yes, that's quite obvious lunamagica Jan 2017 #105

Bernie campaigned aggressively for Hillary MrPurple Jan 2017 #106

+1 nt jonno99 Jan 2017 #275

Anyone (yes I read the responses below) who feels this way KPN Jan 2017 #204

Oh, you are not alone in this! I have noticed he seems very giddy lately. R B Garr Jan 2017 #278

Shut Up tecelote Jan 2017 #17

He should do so until he reflects on HIS OWN FAILURES with minority democrats bravenak Jan 2017 #24

Walk the Talk. tecelote Jan 2017 #32

That's what I'm telling him. Walk the walk. Can't learn from anybody if he's the one doing all bravenak Jan 2017 #34

Introspection is good for everyone to practice as often as possible. tecelote Jan 2017 #35

Speaking of "walk the walk", have we heard a single word in defense of Rep. John Lewis... George II Jan 2017 #66

Good question Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #76

I was also wondering about this Gothmog Jan 2017 #101

He has never once defended Civil Rights Legend John Lewis from attacks bravenak Jan 2017 #173

Color me surprised!!! George II Jan 2017 #175

Yes! sheshe2 Jan 2017 #177

They were horrific, she mcar Jan 2017 #225

Ye Gods. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #228

Yeah, it was intense mcar Jan 2017 #229

Yes -- you obviously just chose not to see his statement. It was posted on this site KPN Jan 2017 #206

I "chose" not to see it? Before I said anything about it I checked his website. Not there (yet) George II Jan 2017 #212

He also denounced Trump's attack on Congressman Lewis in his appearance KPN Jan 2017 #216

I see it differently based on my 69 years' life experience. George II Jan 2017 #218

I'm sure you do. I haven't heard a single substantive argument against KPN Jan 2017 #219

Substantive is in the eye of the beholder. As for "woulda, coulda, shoulda", perhaps.... George II Jan 2017 #226

Sanders campaign is premised on this revolution which did not occur Gothmog Jan 2017 #236

Do you have a link? I do not remember seeing Sanders on MTP Gothmog Jan 2017 #235

this is why I can't take you seriously. Exilednight Jan 2017 #199

Exactly -- KPN Jan 2017 #207

Didn't the polling data suggest that the more Bernie campaigned, more POC voted for him? aikoaiko Jan 2017 #73

I said pipe down not bow down bravenak Jan 2017 #163

As a woman, WhiteTara Jan 2017 #85

As a Bernie supporter I think you are wrong. MadCrow Jan 2017 #143

Well, you lost me on this one. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #151

Exactly k8conant Jan 2017 #182

So sheshe2 Jan 2017 #183

Why are you defending Hillary in this thread when all the other posts are KPN Jan 2017 #213

Chill bravenak Jan 2017 #247

With all that's coming out about the ruskies cyber-hacking and perhaps more than that... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #187

That was a personal choice. My wife and daughter KPN Jan 2017 #208

That was their choice too. WhiteTara Jan 2017 #210

I don't think Bernie is trying to shut down any criticism NWCorona Jan 2017 #88

They need to pick their battles bravenak Jan 2017 #156

Yes NWCorona Jan 2017 #157

Excellent point, bravenak. But, we won't be Cha Jan 2017 #142

Sanders was rejected soundly by Jewish, African and Latino votes Gothmog Jan 2017 #93

Why does your post sound like a threat? sheshe2 Jan 2017 #158

That's so weird bravenak Jan 2017 #174

Bingo. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #178

Right. Sanders criticizes a democratic to make us stronger. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #223

Maybe if you replace Democratic with kacekwl Jan 2017 #8

No. bravenak Jan 2017 #12

Yup KPN Jan 2017 #211

By the way Uponthegears Jan 2017 #20

Maybe we should find somebody besides either candidate? bravenak Jan 2017 #26

Truth n/t Uponthegears Jan 2017 #39

This is the answer, too much hurt feelings and distrust left over from this election Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #81

Because a lot of democrats are not on our side krawhitham Jan 2017 #68

And Bernie's pharma donations? Also full tax returns? Yeah I thought so. bettyellen Jan 2017 #145

Bingo!! KPN Jan 2017 #209

We always call out our own.. this isn't something new. secondwind Jan 2017 #126

He is trying to help fix a party that has been GUTTED all over the country at every level! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #285

His ideas wont work everywhere bravenak Jan 2017 #286

He may be fighting for you - but he's not doing a thing for me EffieBlack Jan 2017 #15

So, you vote for shut up. tecelote Jan 2017 #19

So, you think it's cool to tell us 'identity folks' that we are the problem? bravenak Jan 2017 #30

What? tecelote Jan 2017 #33

Ok bravenak Jan 2017 #37

I don't agree 100% with everything anyone I support (as far as I can tell). tecelote Jan 2017 #40

Then why is he decrying identity politics and political correctness bravenak Jan 2017 #41

Yes. Yes. Yes. tecelote Jan 2017 #46

I only criticise him based on his views of issues important to me bravenak Jan 2017 #49

How do his views actually differ with your views of issues important to you? KPN Jan 2017 #215

Identity politics are like the most important thing along with political correctness and things of bravenak Jan 2017 #244

And once again, black people and other minorities are the MOST reliable members forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #273

We always come through and are treated like an afterthough bravenak Jan 2017 #277

No - I vote for him to stop telling ME to shut up EffieBlack Jan 2017 #71

Sanders ran in the Democratic primary for media coverage Gothmog Jan 2017 #94

He can fight for progressive goals without fighting the Dem party. Fight the effin repugs... brush Jan 2017 #153

Well said. LisaM Jan 2017 #21

He is not the hero who will sweep us up in his arms and carry us from danger. randome Jan 2017 #18

Badmouthing or criticism? tecelote Jan 2017 #22

Maybe Sanders should become a Democrat. That would be "walking the walk", IMO. randome Jan 2017 #25

Maybe because 40% of America is Independent? tecelote Jan 2017 #28

Maybe Democrats shouldn't be labeled as worse than Republicans betsuni Jan 2017 #42

Where did you see "worse than Republicans"? tecelote Jan 2017 #48

I found all of those things right here, of course. betsuni Jan 2017 #59

+1000! mcar Jan 2017 #118

Sanders likes that label 'Democrat' when it benefits him, doesn't he? randome Jan 2017 #44

What if being anti-war is very important to you? tecelote Jan 2017 #51

How could there be a choice? Democrat, of course. randome Jan 2017 #54

You answered your own question. tecelote Jan 2017 #57

Well, yeah, change is inevitable. And should be welcomed. randome Jan 2017 #61

Well said. I don't disagree other than the anti-war bit but I'll leave that alone. tecelote Jan 2017 #65

Definitely too much conflict between factions. We need to emphasize working together more. randome Jan 2017 #67

Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #98

Exactly , I don't care what you call yourself kacekwl Jan 2017 #139

I'd rather believe in unicorns kacekwl Jan 2017 #141

would you be jumping up and down to join a party RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #133

Would you be welcoming someone who keeps bad-mouthing you? It works both ways. randome Jan 2017 #202

and yet we keep talking about it. n/t RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #237

But Sanders has not joined the Democratic Party and is running for re-election as an indie Gothmog Jan 2017 #250

Actually, Bernie has been so successful in passing amendments womanofthehills Jan 2017 #282

We did NOT lose the country. LisaM Jan 2017 #60

We lost on many levels. tecelote Jan 2017 #64

The hell we didn't. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #260

I'm fully aware of that. LisaM Jan 2017 #268

That's one component... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #271

Ok, how many times? Are you stuck on "stop saying "Shut Up" or "Pipe Down"? brush Jan 2017 #154

Good. Holding out for magical heroes is how the nation got here. Orsino Jan 2017 #274

I like the real world and for me Sanders' platform was not realistic and was based on a "revolution" Gothmog Jan 2017 #276

He's been disparaging Democrats since Autumn. George II Jan 2017 #63

He is selling his book Gothmog Jan 2017 #96

No he is busy selling books Gothmog Jan 2017 #91

Agreed! GreenPartyVoter Jan 2017 #122

+1000 putitinD Jan 2017 #252

"too bombastic in my opinion. I decided it was too rude" melman Jan 2017 #2

Saw this at Jezebel earlier today and regular commenters said, betsuni Jan 2017 #5

I saw it at The Root.. I agreed with it and was grateful for Michael Cha Jan 2017 #7

The swarms never rest bravenak Jan 2017 #9

Buzzing insects are so annoying! betsuni Jan 2017 #43

We used to have some good swatters around here bravenak Jan 2017 #45

The Protectorate must defend all things Bernie... SidDithers Jan 2017 #80

Not that Michael isn't legit Uponthegears Jan 2017 #6

Nobody ever called him racist. It was called tone deaf. And the point stands with his anti PC bravenak Jan 2017 #10

See #20 Uponthegears Jan 2017 #23

There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters Gothmog Jan 2017 #97

And there are good reasons why many African American Uponthegears Jan 2017 #114

As you noted, you were in the minority of the African American community on this issye Gothmog Jan 2017 #131

A very good... tonedevil Jan 2017 #147

It's not the only minority I am in, now is it? Uponthegears Jan 2017 #160

So you do approve of Bernie wanting to primary President Obama Gothmog Jan 2017 #191

Thank you for all your work on behalf of all people, Gothmog. yardwork Jan 2017 #195

Thank you for the explanation from the point of view of YOUR demographic Uponthegears Jan 2017 #197

I got to meet Congressman Lewis iniatially because of my work in voter protection Gothmog Jan 2017 #220

I dispute your contention that only a "minuscule" number of DUers posted on JPR. yardwork Jan 2017 #194

Go for it Uponthegears Jan 2017 #198

I don't do screenshots. Go look for yourself. yardwork Jan 2017 #224

Thanks for the confirmation n/t Uponthegears Jan 2017 #238

Check back in my journal to july 2015 and beyond bravenak Jan 2017 #245

TY Brave! Uponthegears Jan 2017 #267

I look at the people who endorse the various threads attacking John Lewis Gothmog Jan 2017 #222

Thank you for your cut and paste Uponthegears Jan 2017 #161

You are welcome-you may want to consider using facts in these discussions Gothmog Jan 2017 #189

I missed what he's had to say about Russian influence seaglass Jan 2017 #13

I have heard nothing from him on the Russian hacking bravenak Jan 2017 #14

Strange how so many have nothing to say about Russian hacking or Donald's Russian support UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #31

I suppose they must think it's aokay bravenak Jan 2017 #38

Perhaps because his "operatives" hacked the DNC first? George II Jan 2017 #72

hmmmm.... nt Quayblue Jan 2017 #112

YAWN Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #27

You're talented at creating huge threads here! n/t Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #47

You should give it a shot bravenak Jan 2017 #50

There is some great content on this thread Gothmog Jan 2017 #100

Bravenak - what would you have him do? Red Oak Jan 2017 #52

Listen to somebody else bravenak Jan 2017 #53

He could start with stop smearing allies of the left who disagree with him on minor points. JHan Jan 2017 #55

He could bravenak Jan 2017 #56

examples of smearing people who disagree with him on minor points, please, particularly as JCanete Jan 2017 #230

I'm not going to rehash the primaries here. JHan Jan 2017 #231

your first post was rehashing. These 13 dems didn't have a minor disagreement. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #232

It was relevant to the OP. JHan Jan 2017 #233

what was flawed about it. I'm here to learn. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #234

this: JHan Jan 2017 #239

In the interest of "transparency", the bombastic title is "Shut Up Bernie Sanders" (not my title) George II Jan 2017 #62

Some of the anti-Democratic delecate flowers were offended. baldguy Jan 2017 #70

K&R baldguy Jan 2017 #69

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #74

"considering the source" - Interesting turn of phrase. JHan Jan 2017 #77

... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #78

It wasn't Bernie's fault that Clinton lost the election.... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #75

BS. He dragged out the primaries even though it was liquid diamond Jan 2017 #87

So, you are saying that because Sanders ran a campaign to win the election... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #89

It's no stretch at all. liquid diamond Jan 2017 #146

No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #99

Does the system work for the poor and working class? immoderate Jan 2017 #107

Sanders claimed that the system was rigged and Trump quoted Sanders on numerous occassions Gothmog Jan 2017 #134

But the system IS rigged for the rich... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #110

sigh JHan Jan 2017 #115

How are things supposed to change if we don't point out the problems... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #119

My argument wasn't staying silent on anything.. JHan Jan 2017 #121

So you are happy that Trump used Sanders' bogus claims to win? Gothmog Jan 2017 #125

Is that a type of trolling? Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #128

Trump used Sanders claim that the process was rigged to great effect Gothmog Jan 2017 #132

As I stated before - the system is rigged against 99% of the people... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #138

Yes, stating the truth about Sanders' is not a bad thing, either. R B Garr Jan 2017 #192

Would you like everyone to 'tell the truth' about... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #201

So back to reality. Clinton was Sanders' scapegoat. R B Garr Jan 2017 #203

Yes, he did help Trump win, and thank you for your factual links and contributions R B Garr Jan 2017 #193

So is any criticism of Democratic Party policy permitted? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #79

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #82

How dare Bernie continue to promote liberal ideals! NobodyHere Jan 2017 #83

Have you bought his latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #95

I read this article last night Gothmog Jan 2017 #90

I won't alert this time HassleCat Jan 2017 #103

Oh, you poor thing! baldguy Jan 2017 #120

Sorry I alerted when you posted it HassleCat Jan 2017 #149

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #155

No, we can't, As a matter of fact. HassleCat Jan 2017 #159

"I will alert on any post that throws personal insults etc at any Democrat" baldguy Jan 2017 #162

Yes. HassleCat Jan 2017 #164

You don't get to decide that. You should apologize & delete your post. baldguy Jan 2017 #165

Of course I get to decide. HassleCat Jan 2017 #166

Posts critical of Bernie never get removed, OTH,posts critical of Corey Booker do. m-lekktor Jan 2017 #127

Two very similar posts were removed. HassleCat Jan 2017 #150

Keep speaking up, Bernie! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #104

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #108

?????? JHan Jan 2017 #111

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #109

Should he withdraw from speaking at the ACA rallies we are having? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #113

Many upset with the article may ignore the following excerpt: Garrett78 Jan 2017 #116

K&R mcar Jan 2017 #117

This ... BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #123

Friends who are ... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #148

To be fair, BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #181

A thread you should look at.... alittlelark Jan 2017 #124

Yes, enough of him criticizing the Democrats treestar Jan 2017 #129

Just like he will lose next time if he doesnt come correct bravenak Jan 2017 #172

Bernie is a BIG part of the problem with his free this and free that. democratisphere Jan 2017 #130

Sanders made promises that he could never deliver on Gothmog Jan 2017 #135

Wow...that's one way to talk about things that should be human rights. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #137

And WHO do you think is going to pay for these human rights? democratisphere Jan 2017 #140

if you haven't been paying attention, there has been a great consolidation of wealth in the pockets JCanete Jan 2017 #144

Unnuanced articles that simply want to make one of the voices of the left/center-left bad or wrong, JCanete Jan 2017 #136

"majorly melanin-deficient crowds" Vermijelli Jan 2017 #167

Well, when you open your campaign at a monochromatic Regatta bravenak Jan 2017 #171

Monochromatic is an acceptable way of describing the crowds Vermijelli Jan 2017 #185

No one implied superiority, simply sameness bravenak Jan 2017 #186

K&R! I think the original title was just fine, and it needs R B Garr Jan 2017 #168

Well, you know we have to be nicey to him at all times or else bravenak Jan 2017 #170

Yes, I know exactly what you mean about....everything. R B Garr Jan 2017 #188

There it is melman Jan 2017 #190

K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #169

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #176

You bored? bravenak Jan 2017 #179

Yup. Boring Arazi Jan 2017 #180

No gracias por la suerte! bravenak Jan 2017 #184

HRC 2020 HRC2020 Jan 2017 #196

Interesting reactions here Chitown Kev Jan 2017 #200

Remember his campaign surrogates attacking civil rights icons.... LexVegas Jan 2017 #205

Yep! bravenak Jan 2017 #240

I sure do remember, including the attacks on John Lewis! yardwork Jan 2017 #241

Such a needlessly divisive post hueymahl Jan 2017 #214

Meanwhile, as Democrats are down to fully controlling a measly six states... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #221

Your neener-neener posts don't change the fact that Bernie lost the primary. Sorry, R B Garr Jan 2017 #256

Such a failed message that he was invited to participate in yesterday's tribute to MLK, Jr... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #259

EVERYONE was invited to commemorate MLK day. It's a national holiday set aside R B Garr Jan 2017 #264

LOL! Were you invited to speak at the historic Ebenezer Baptist Church? SMC22307 Jan 2017 #270

Well, none of us are SENATORS on this board, so it's a silly analogy to ask why R B Garr Jan 2017 #272

100 SENATORS, 435 representatives... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #279

The Church is described as a "favorite" of politicians. Seriously, it fits the pattern that you R B Garr Jan 2017 #280

This author was a Bernie supporter and donor bravenak Jan 2017 #246

So he saw the light or was asked to buy bernie's latest book Gothmog Jan 2017 #248

It was the whole anti-PC/identity politics diatribe that bravenak Jan 2017 #249

Sanders attacks on identity politics are really upsetting to me Gothmog Jan 2017 #251

That was a strange thing for any liberal to say bravenak Jan 2017 #253

Yes, he's done quite an about-face on identity politics now that he can get media attention R B Garr Jan 2017 #257

The only thing that Sanders cares about is book sales Gothmog Jan 2017 #258

One man's opinion hueymahl Jan 2017 #265

Most of my friends voted for Hillary bravenak Jan 2017 #266

Almost all of my friends did too hueymahl Jan 2017 #269

Preach it... SMC22307 Jan 2017 #217

Why did sanders call for the end of identity politics? Gothmog Jan 2017 #283

This bettyellen Jan 2017 #284

Kicking! sheshe2 Jan 2017 #227

Did the Root cheer for Joe Lieberman when he consistantly stabbed Dems in the back? Larkspur Jan 2017 #254

Why dont you look it up yourself bravenak Jan 2017 #255

FDR was the first Democratic Presidential candidate to win the majority of black Larkspur Jan 2017 #261

And we got sold out bravenak Jan 2017 #263

Were you alive back then? Larkspur Jan 2017 #287

We were sold out. My Grandma was left out which fucked over her kids bravenak Jan 2017 #288

kick Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #262