2016 Postmortem

DFW

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20. Three times, probably

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:13 AM

Nov 2016

Ohio decided 2004. ESS and Diebold are both Republican-run Ohio companies who make electronic voting machines. The then-head of Diebold said he "would deliver Ohio for Bush." The Ohio Secretary of State was also the head of the Ohio Bush re-election committee. The voting machine companies went to court to get a judgement that their machines were "private property," and therefore they didn't have to let their machines' results be verified if they didn't want to. They didn't want to. ONE--count 'em--ONE of the Ohio voting machines got forensically examined. In a precinct with 600 registered voters, it gave Bush 3000 votes. Ohio reduced Bush margin of victory by 2400 votes, called the one machine a "glitch," and then STILL refused to let the rest of the machines be examined.

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Should have a standard voting system within the United States [View all] UCmeNdc Nov 2016 OP

I agree that all voting methods should have a proper audit trail... TreasonousBastard Nov 2016 #1

A less personal, but far more common example to me... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #7

random testing of machines is not sufficient. we need all hand-counted paper ballots. it has been d TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #9

I'm was a poll worker in NJ. no_hypocrisy Nov 2016 #2

"Why the ad lib voting system?"... because per the Constitution, the voting process is delegated to Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #3

There is no sane reason for that BSdetect Nov 2016 #4

Only way to fix it is a constitutional amendment. Read the Federalist papers to see why Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #5

I agree with your assessment except UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #6

that will take a constitutional amendment Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #8

That's fascinating. I'll have to come back to read up on it later. Hekate Nov 2016 #11

I agree that changing the size of the House would be a better way SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #13

yep, thats the Wyoming Rule I listed. I think its better than nothing Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #15

50 states. States' Rights. Each state "a laboratory for democracy." I think it should be federalized Hekate Nov 2016 #10

K&R BSdetect Nov 2016 #12

I agree PatSeg Nov 2016 #14

The farce of Bush v. Gore Danmel Nov 2016 #16

right; we've had a repub loser "win" twice in 16 years, on untrustworthy voting machines. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #18

Three times, probably DFW Nov 2016 #20

I'm afraid somebody is going to have to white hat hack and obliterate an election. tandem5 Nov 2016 #17

it may take something like that. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #19