2016 Postmortem

cilla4progress

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17. Some of the very informative discussion I have heard on this includes:

Sun Nov 27, 2016, 02:31 PM

Nov 2016

a teacher at a community college of mostly inner-city recent immigrants. She remarked on how committed they are to improving their lot, going with the economic flow / trends, aggressively educating themselves to remain competitive, their savvy, in this regard.

I wonder how many of these poor whites are waiting for blacksmithing to return so they can stay with the skill set that got them their middle class lifestyle.

This was on Tom Ashbrook. The commentary (IIRC it was Tom Friedman) was that people have to take SOME responsibility to keep up with the dynamism, the wharp-speed changes coming our way in a global economy. No luddite US president is going to stop that. And it wouldn't be good for us as a whole, in any case.

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About leaving the rust belt behind [View all] cilla4progress Nov 2016 OP

IMO democrats have leaned more rightward over the years. I am not directing to any specifically, RKP5637 Nov 2016 #1

The ACA did help them. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #2

The stupid is thick SHRED Nov 2016 #3

Ok so don't understand it and continue to lose? realmirage Nov 2016 #5

Does it matter now? SHRED Nov 2016 #9

We do have to understand that uninformed people also vote, and that uninformed white people guillaumeb Nov 2016 #8

Someone said with a straight face that they didn't want the government in charge of Medicare? oberliner Nov 2016 #4

Sad and amazing that a senior would not understand that Medicare is a government program. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #7

Where do you get 3.5% for Social Security? Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #28

The rate was 3.5% until the Reagan/O'Neill "bargain" in the 1980's. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #36

It was above 5% when Regan took office. Above 10% if you include employer contributions. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #37

My error. It was actually 4.95% for individuals in 1980. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #38

Where are you getting your stats? Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #39

That is really a typical tea bagger statement. WhiteTara Nov 2016 #10

And the benefits that they receive are considered to be "earned benefits", in contrast guillaumeb Nov 2016 #23

Good point! WhiteTara Nov 2016 #35

thst was a common thing from teabag protests JI7 Nov 2016 #34

OMG, reading this made me lightheaded. Sorceress Nov 2016 #13

It made for an interesting meeting. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #24

We have definitely been pulled right however, the Medicaid expansion was blocked by republican onecaliberal Nov 2016 #6

After having forced Part D with penalties on us WhiteTara Nov 2016 #11

So you're basically saying people in the rust belt are stupid? Maybe they are just angry. NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #12

I am saying they are uninformed, for sure. cilla4progress Nov 2016 #14

The majority of people don't follow politics as closely as those of us here do... NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #31

Great points. cilla4progress Nov 2016 #33

The ones who didn't figure out it was the GOP state government that didn't create DanTex Nov 2016 #15

Which presidential candidate spoke to voters about relieving the burden of the rate hikes for ACA? NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #32

Hillary, the only one in favor of a public option. DanTex Nov 2016 #40

If by ignore, you mean a detailed plan on Clinton's website and numerous mentions in speeches. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #41

Trump was just the loudest. JimBeard Nov 2016 #43

"America is greater than it's ever been!" Dems to Win Nov 2016 #16

Some of the very informative discussion I have heard on this includes: cilla4progress Nov 2016 #17

HALF of Americans can't meet an unexpected 400 expense, in the richest country on Earth Dems to Win Nov 2016 #18

I'm a rural American cilla4progress Nov 2016 #19

Smug Democrats will continue to LOSE. Dems to Win Nov 2016 #20

Well, some beg to differ cilla4progress Nov 2016 #22

Go southwest young people. JimBeard Nov 2016 #21

The ACA should have helped them. The question is: DID the ACA help them? Exilednight Nov 2016 #25

I think I read on DU that Marco Rubio had engineered that failure. raging moderate Nov 2016 #26

Voting Republican hasn't worked for you. "yeah...but it could". CincyDem Nov 2016 #27

I'd say 20% or more of eligible voters in the US feel more or less the same as those in that video. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #30

Of course the Rust Belt is better off thanks to Obama and would be better off with Clinton. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #29

Yeah, it is all the public education system and teachers' fault they can't think. duffyduff Nov 2016 #42