2016 Postmortem

guillaumeb

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7. Sad and amazing that a senior would not understand that Medicare is a government program.

Sun Nov 27, 2016, 12:22 PM

Nov 2016

Considering that all of the paperwork generated references the US Government.

I am a Federal retiree. I also heard at the same meeting that Federal employees pay nothing for their retirement. So I mentioned that for my 37 year career I paid 7.5% of my gross pay into Civil Service. I also said that by contrast, they only paid 3.5% into Social Security. Amazing the amount of ignorance and misinformation among supposedly educated voters.

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About leaving the rust belt behind [View all] cilla4progress Nov 2016 OP

IMO democrats have leaned more rightward over the years. I am not directing to any specifically, RKP5637 Nov 2016 #1

The ACA did help them. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #2

The stupid is thick SHRED Nov 2016 #3

Ok so don't understand it and continue to lose? realmirage Nov 2016 #5

Does it matter now? SHRED Nov 2016 #9

We do have to understand that uninformed people also vote, and that uninformed white people guillaumeb Nov 2016 #8

Someone said with a straight face that they didn't want the government in charge of Medicare? oberliner Nov 2016 #4

Sad and amazing that a senior would not understand that Medicare is a government program. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #7

Where do you get 3.5% for Social Security? Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #28

The rate was 3.5% until the Reagan/O'Neill "bargain" in the 1980's. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #36

It was above 5% when Regan took office. Above 10% if you include employer contributions. Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #37

My error. It was actually 4.95% for individuals in 1980. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #38

Where are you getting your stats? Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #39

That is really a typical tea bagger statement. WhiteTara Nov 2016 #10

And the benefits that they receive are considered to be "earned benefits", in contrast guillaumeb Nov 2016 #23

Good point! WhiteTara Nov 2016 #35

thst was a common thing from teabag protests JI7 Nov 2016 #34

OMG, reading this made me lightheaded. Sorceress Nov 2016 #13

It made for an interesting meeting. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #24

We have definitely been pulled right however, the Medicaid expansion was blocked by republican onecaliberal Nov 2016 #6

After having forced Part D with penalties on us WhiteTara Nov 2016 #11

So you're basically saying people in the rust belt are stupid? Maybe they are just angry. NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #12

I am saying they are uninformed, for sure. cilla4progress Nov 2016 #14

The majority of people don't follow politics as closely as those of us here do... NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #31

Great points. cilla4progress Nov 2016 #33

The ones who didn't figure out it was the GOP state government that didn't create DanTex Nov 2016 #15

Which presidential candidate spoke to voters about relieving the burden of the rate hikes for ACA? NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #32

Hillary, the only one in favor of a public option. DanTex Nov 2016 #40

If by ignore, you mean a detailed plan on Clinton's website and numerous mentions in speeches. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #41

Trump was just the loudest. JimBeard Nov 2016 #43

"America is greater than it's ever been!" Dems to Win Nov 2016 #16

Some of the very informative discussion I have heard on this includes: cilla4progress Nov 2016 #17

HALF of Americans can't meet an unexpected 400 expense, in the richest country on Earth Dems to Win Nov 2016 #18

I'm a rural American cilla4progress Nov 2016 #19

Smug Democrats will continue to LOSE. Dems to Win Nov 2016 #20

Well, some beg to differ cilla4progress Nov 2016 #22

Go southwest young people. JimBeard Nov 2016 #21

The ACA should have helped them. The question is: DID the ACA help them? Exilednight Nov 2016 #25

I think I read on DU that Marco Rubio had engineered that failure. raging moderate Nov 2016 #26

Voting Republican hasn't worked for you. "yeah...but it could". CincyDem Nov 2016 #27

I'd say 20% or more of eligible voters in the US feel more or less the same as those in that video. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #30

Of course the Rust Belt is better off thanks to Obama and would be better off with Clinton. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #29

Yeah, it is all the public education system and teachers' fault they can't think. duffyduff Nov 2016 #42