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Wounded Bear

(60,969 posts)
7. A less personal, but far more common example to me...
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 12:06 PM
Nov 2016

How many ATMs are there around the world? They seem to operate to 99.9...% accuracy to 4 or 5 digits, and each and every one can provide a paper receipt when the transaction is logged. They are not immune to hacking, but they are reasonably secure in the aggregate.

When the 2000 election was "reconciled" and voting systems first came into question in the modern era, what I saw was pretty much what you describe. It looked very much like some guys had some 1980's tabulating machines gathering dust in warehouses until someone said, "Hey, let's sell these to the gov't and convert them to count ballots." At least that was what it looked like in So Cal, where I was at the time. It had evil forebodings then, and it seemingly continues. We haven't improved anything in many, many counties around the country.

Unfortunately, the Party that benefits most from voter suppression and questionable voting equipment and practices now rules the roost. It may get worse before it gets better, if it ever does.

Oh, and of course the problems we're seeing are not happening in blue states, but in red and 'swing' states.

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I agree that all voting methods should have a proper audit trail... TreasonousBastard Nov 2016 #1
A less personal, but far more common example to me... Wounded Bear Nov 2016 #7
random testing of machines is not sufficient. we need all hand-counted paper ballots. it has been d TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #9
I'm was a poll worker in NJ. no_hypocrisy Nov 2016 #2
"Why the ad lib voting system?"... because per the Constitution, the voting process is delegated to Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #3
There is no sane reason for that BSdetect Nov 2016 #4
Only way to fix it is a constitutional amendment. Read the Federalist papers to see why Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #5
I agree with your assessment except UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #6
that will take a constitutional amendment Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #8
That's fascinating. I'll have to come back to read up on it later. Hekate Nov 2016 #11
I agree that changing the size of the House would be a better way SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #13
yep, thats the Wyoming Rule I listed. I think its better than nothing Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #15
50 states. States' Rights. Each state "a laboratory for democracy." I think it should be federalized Hekate Nov 2016 #10
K&R BSdetect Nov 2016 #12
I agree PatSeg Nov 2016 #14
The farce of Bush v. Gore Danmel Nov 2016 #16
right; we've had a repub loser "win" twice in 16 years, on untrustworthy voting machines. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #18
Three times, probably DFW Nov 2016 #20
I'm afraid somebody is going to have to white hat hack and obliterate an election. tandem5 Nov 2016 #17
it may take something like that. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #19
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