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Stuckinthebush

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37. My agnosticism was the off ramp to atheism
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 09:34 AM
Apr 2024

As a long time atheist who comes from a liberal Christian background, I started off with the agnostic label. As I got older I moved to the atheist label once I become much more comfortable with my position. Those brain connections regarding Yahweh were developed very early and they are always there taunting me, but after a while I became more comfortable saying to myself what I really didn't believe. So, for me the term agnostic was truly an off ramp to atheism both of which were used to indicate "I'm not one of the deity believers".

BUT

There are many who are just as convinced of the non-zero probability of a deity or deities. This leads to the logical statement that we can't really know and it is possible albeit highly improbable. The statement regarding the off ramp is rather condescending when applied globally so I won't do it - I use it just for me.

My three children were raised without the belief in a deity in a very Christo-centric part of the country - the Deep South. Even though they were bombarded by Christian thoughts and imagery all the time, it was not supported at home. In fact, critical thinking was supported. As adults now, they tell me that it is hard to even imagine a deity for them - certainly not a Christian deity. When pressed to identify themselves they laugh and one even says "well if I must I'm a humanist." To them saying that they are an atheist is akin to saying they are an aunicornist or an afairian (not to insult the believers of the fae out there). I guess there is a non-zero probability of the existence of unicorns or fairies so one could be a unicorn or fairy agnostic.

A question I have had given the experience with life long non-christians is if the terms we use (atheism and agnosticism) are needed because there are so many who have deconstructed their childhood imposed faith in a deitiy and/or because there are still so many in this world who actually still believe in such. We don't have the term aunicornist because that's just not an issue. The terms are used/developed as a way to differentiate from the norm. Perhaps some linguist out there can discuss the terms atheist and agnostic as signifiers for the signified concept of deities. Any Saussure scholars out there want to take a stab? I'm just a statistician so won't touch that semiotic concept any farther.

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A or not A in regards to theism [View all] FreeState Apr 2024 OP
I reply to those pressuring me "None of the above." GreenWave Apr 2024 #1
See that's where I get stuck FreeState Apr 2024 #4
To wear the term Atheist is a commitment that some folks are afraid to make. Chainfire Apr 2024 #2
I definitely get that FreeState Apr 2024 #5
I absolutely don't believe there is a "god". I don't care if others do or don't believe. erronis Apr 2024 #3
I generally don't care either FreeState Apr 2024 #6
I err on the side of believing there is a god TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #7
Pascal's wager never worked for me FreeState Apr 2024 #9
I tend to look at it the other way. willamette Apr 2024 #12
It's worse than that. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #14
When I became an atheist at 14 years old, I was very gung-oh about it and considered myselt to be a Militant Atheist. spike jones Apr 2024 #8
I've always been under the impression that... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #10
The agnostic position is that the question Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #15
Yes, that's always been my impression. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #16
Hold my beer, Agnostic Dear_Prudence Apr 2024 #11
Claims about physical reality are not Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #13
You write... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #18
That position describes the basis of philosophical skepticism since descartes. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #20
Ok, so would that be an "Agnostic Theist"? Think. Again. Apr 2024 #21
Ah I misunderstood your question. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #22
Ah, so Yes. Thanks! Think. Again. Apr 2024 #23
Agnostic means you dont believe we can know IbogaProject Apr 2024 #17
Yes, and only speaking for myself.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #19
I don't think you understand the meaning of "agnostic." Martin68 Apr 2024 #24
A or not A in logic are the only options FreeState Apr 2024 #25
Yes. But not all statements are 'logical propositions'. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #28
well then there's 3 distinct questions... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #30
Whatever. You obviously have a strong opinion on the matter. Martin68 Apr 2024 #34
I am a non practicing Christian because I don't want to be associated with the evangelical type of Christianity kimbutgar Apr 2024 #26
The Christian religion is based on what many people came to believe two thousand years ago. Midnight Writer Apr 2024 #27
My response is simple PJMcK Apr 2024 #29
But the fact that our knowledge IS ever-expanding.... Think. Again. Apr 2024 #32
Exactly so... CCExile Apr 2024 #38
Agnostic Wifes husband Apr 2024 #31
Well said. Think. Again. Apr 2024 #33
i think i am a brownist. raised liberal lutheran. i read about them in a 1871 encyclopedia brittanica. pansypoo53219 Apr 2024 #35
This is really all about interacting with other people and neither... NNadir Apr 2024 #36
My agnosticism was the off ramp to atheism Stuckinthebush Apr 2024 #37
I claim the label 'agnostic atheist' hurl Apr 2024 #39
Your definition of gnostic is a big part of my definition of the terms wysimdnwyg Apr 2024 #40
You are correct Farmer-Rick Apr 2024 #41
You asked the wrong question. AZ8theist Apr 2024 #42
Perfectly reasoned, perfectly said. Red Raider 85 Aug 2024 #45
If you define "God" vaguely enough ... Sean Andalou Aug 2024 #43
It's like a light switch, which is either "on" or "off." There is no inbetween. Red Raider 85 Aug 2024 #44
No, agnostic atheist is the precise term Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #46
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