Atheists & Agnostics

and harmed others, funny how the harm is ignored and swept away (like any other religious institution) I've known people who have killed themselves because of it. The research shows that there are much better and more effective ways. Now, you have been through a religious 12 step program and made it work for you, and clearly you were well indoctrinated in it, but that doesn't make it a good thing. It actually has hampered progress in addiction research and such in this country.

Have you studied addiction? Do you know anything about it besides what you were taught in a religious indoctrination program? What are you thoughts on harm reduction?

If it's a disease then why do you need humility, do diabetics need to be taught humility?

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that the few studies done have shown that AA is about as effective as cold turkey? Do you have a study to counter that? I'd love to hear it because I'm sure some of my knowledge is out of date.

Why do they make you ashamed of drinking while allowing smoking (a greater killer by a factor of lots (see previous statistic)) if their goal is to save lives?

There is a difference between humility and humiliation, AA teaches people shame and to hide their disease, lest anyone find out and they are humiliated for it. It can work for some and still be very harmful to many others.