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Richard D

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10. Bagles for thought
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 02:58 PM
Dec 7

by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich etc. when discussing whether a campaign has a flavor of bigotry to it.

They are pretty much far-right loons. Their ideas will not succeed.


You seem to want to defend any and all damage to people who had nothing to do with 10/7.
War is a tragic thing. Much of the citizens of Gaza are all for 10/7 and its continuation into the future. 80% of Gaza are Hamas sympathizers. The best way out of war is not to start one. It's too late for that. Innocents die in war. It's how it works. Israel did not start it but has to finish it.


It is ridiculous to hold little children responsible and justify their deaths by saying others could have stopped you.
No one wants to see little children killed, except Hamas.


Netanyahu has gone on record saying there would be no stopping even if the hostages were released.
He has also said other things about this.



It is madness to try and justify destroying an entire city block of dwellings with massive air bombardment in order to get at the half dozen or so Hamas terrorists claimed to be there.
Now, the subtle antisemitism is creeping in. Notice the word "claimed" that you use, as though the terrorists are not there, but Israel claims that they are to kill innocents. This is the blood libel trope.


It is an indiscriminate use of force as opposed to sending in soldiers.
Even when buildings are boobie trapped or set up as ambushes? The lives of the soldiers have much value. Many have already lost their lives in such ambushes.


There is a reason Israel has lost so much support around the world since 10/7. It is not all anti-Semitism but that is the "go to" it seems rather than consider that the level of dead and wounded in this short time is repulsive since the vast majority of it is falling on children and people who had nothing to do with 10/7.
Sorry, I see it as antisemitism. The horrific anti-Israel propaganda started on 10/8, well before Israel went into Gaza. Please see the original post.


After 10/7, almost everybody was completely behind your country responding, but that doesn't mean anything goes and people are just going to back you unquestioningly.
"your country"? Sounds a lot like "You people". Hmmm.


By the reasoning, measures, and proportionality the Israeli government claims is acceptable, then I guess the equivalency for our country after 9/11 would have been to wipe out 90% of the Saudi population.
What is proportionality? Rape for rape? Beheading for beheading? Burn alive for burned alive? Kidnapped and tortured for kidnapped and tortured? Again, this is ridiculous, and it's ridiculous to assume that vengeance is the motivation when the true motivation is eliminating the possibility of another 10/7, as has been promised by Hamas and nearly enacted by Lebanon, This is a war of self-defence, nothing else.

You also say 90% of the Saudi population? Um, well, the population of Gaza has increased since 10/7 by something like 22,000. Us Jews just are not all that great at Genocide. Maybe the only thing we're not good at. Again, review the statistical fact that the Gaza war has the lowest rate of civilian deaths of any Urban war in recorded history.


Everyone is not either anti-Palestinian/anti-Muslim or anti-Israel/anti-Semitic who is reviled by Hamas's actions and Israel's.
There's that false equivalency again.

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