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Richard D

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3. Not directly related to the question . . .
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:34 AM
Nov 9

. . . but in this election, there was a strong movement in much of the orthodox and ultra-orthodox towards Trump that was and is obvious amongst Jewish social media influencers who gained fairly substantial followings post Oct 7. They really hated Kamala and saw her as a threat against Israel. This was particularly so after she agreed with a heckler that Israel had to stop the "Genocide" against Palestinians. All the Israel-hate expressed by many liberals did not help this, nor did the fact that the democratic party is home to "the squad."

While I hope I am wrong, I do not see a kumbaya moment coming between Israel and some of its neighbors, so the hatred will continue. I also do not see Israel backing down in the interest of a premature cease-fire, i.e., one that does not include the return of all of the hostages and recognition of Israel's right to exist, explicitly stated from Iran on down to its proxies.

The pogrom in Amsterdam, as small as it was compared to events in our history, is another turning point. Hopefully, that energy will not manifest here more than it already is, and it is. That is a hope, not a prediction, for I do think it will get worse here, and it will come out of the radical left more than the trumpians. At this point, I carry more concern about a Kefiyeh-wearing college students and Islamist infiltrators than I do about their opposites on the far-right.

None of this means that I in any way support the far-right or Trumpism—the opposite, of course. I am a life-long Democrat.

But I do believe that this is something that Democrats ignore at our peril.

On edit: One more odd piece is that the strongest pro-Israel support in this country seems to be coming from the evangelicals. I know that their reasoning sucks, but that movement is still happening. There are many facebook groups that are very pro-Israel that are made up of Christians. Maybe their reasoning is the ridiculous second coming when all Jews live in Israel, or maybe they are recognizing that without us, their religion would not exist--I don't really know. But it's also a piece in this very large puzzle.

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