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guillaumeb

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20. I wrote:

Mon Mar 2, 2020, 11:53 AM

Mar 2020

So there must be an act, not simply words in a book, is how I interpret the above cited reference.

Incitement is an action.

And all of this subthread diverts from the topic, which is that the Chinese government is imprisoning a class of people because they are religious. The Chinese government tried to disguise their motivation by making a claim of terrorism, but no one believes their lie. Thye are imprisoning people for the crime of being theists.

So join me in condemning this example of intolerance.

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China's 'War on Terror' uproots families, leaked data shows [View all] guillaumeb Feb 2020 OP

The China solution Cartoonist Feb 2020 #1

The Chinese Government should show how tolerant the non-theists can be. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #2

I noticed you didn't weigh in on that thread Cartoonist Feb 2020 #3

Rellgion does nothing. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #4

Do people ever do anything good edhopper Mar 2020 #5

People do what they do for a variety of reasons. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #6

That doesn't answer if you think edhopper Mar 2020 #7

What I actually say is that people have a variety of reasons for their behavior. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #8

So why do you object when people cite edhopper Mar 2020 #9

Because "the religion" does not act. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #11

So why do you post here when someone edhopper Mar 2020 #15

So why are you ignoring the actual topic? guillaumeb Mar 2020 #25

is there any reason edhopper Mar 2020 #40

So you refuse to discuss the actual topic. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #42

Who said they weren't edhopper Mar 2020 #47

Point to a human society that is not intolerant to some degree. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #48

So you think intolerance is just human nature edhopper Mar 2020 #51

Intolerance seems to occur in every human society. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #53

Intolerance does indeed occur in every human society. trotsky Mar 2020 #55

In my view, tribalism requires, or leads to, intolerance. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #56

How can humans combat their nature? trotsky Mar 2020 #58

By undserstanding that our commonalities guillaumeb Mar 2020 #60

By not venerating teachings and texts that promote and perpetuate our differences, right? trotsky Mar 2020 #62

Based on your vast empirical research, I take it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #69

You are always free to suggest your own views. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #71

My own view is that my experiences are anecdotal and my "study" lacks rigor. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #72

And what do these experts say on the subject? guillaumeb Mar 2020 #73

That "human nature" isn't knowable. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #74

Notice how the discussion ends when the hard questions are asked Major Nikon Mar 2020 #38

So there is no crime for incitement? Cartoonist Mar 2020 #10

Not at all. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #12

Is incitement a law? Cartoonist Mar 2020 #13

I am not a lawyer. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #14

Do you honestly believe Christians view the bible as "simply words in a book"? trotsky Mar 2020 #19

I wrote: guillaumeb Mar 2020 #20

Do you think believers view their sacred texts as simply "words in a book"? trotsky Mar 2020 #26

Do you agree that only inciting someone to comit a crime edhopper Mar 2020 #16

Do you feel that the Chinese government is imprisoning people for the crime guillaumeb Mar 2020 #21

No. You are 100% wrong on this. trotsky Mar 2020 #27

Read the actual article. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #33

I did. A *cursory* reading says what you think it says. trotsky Mar 2020 #35

Perhaps in your reading, you overlooked this part: guillaumeb Mar 2020 #37

And YOU missed this part: trotsky Mar 2020 #39

OK guillaumeb Mar 2020 #41

Ah ah ah, you're forgetting something. trotsky Mar 2020 #43

A weak try at avoidance. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #44

And how exactly do they enforce that? trotsky Mar 2020 #45

If you have been reading the many articles about the Chinese Government surveillance state, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #46

Yes, I do know the answer. The answer is that you cannot know. trotsky Mar 2020 #49

Thank you for abandoning a weak line of attack. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #50

Let's get one thing fucking clear, bub: I didn't abandon it. You failed to make your point. trotsky Mar 2020 #52

To the victims of intolerance, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #54

To those of us working to understand intolerance, and confront it, it does matter. trotsky Mar 2020 #57

I never deny that people claim to be motivated by many things. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #59

No, here's the distinction you're missing. trotsky Mar 2020 #61

And does every theist interpret these verses identically? guillaumeb Mar 2020 #63

No of course not, no one ever said they did. trotsky Mar 2020 #64

So if every theist does not see these few verses as requiring, or promoting, intolerance, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #65

But not every theist sees other verses as promoting tolerance, either. trotsky Mar 2020 #66

So people can find reasons to justify their intolerance. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #67

But you don't get to decide that some people are doing their religion wrong. trotsky Mar 2020 #68

Again, you mischaracterize, or misunderstand, my actual position. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #70

That's exactly what you are doing. trotsky Mar 2020 #75

Your response misframes what I have said here. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #81

How? trotsky Mar 2020 #82

People can truly be motivated by their religion to be intolerant. trotsky Apr 2020 #83

People can truly be motivated by their religion to be intolerant. trotsky Mar 2020 #80

More from the actual article: trotsky Mar 2020 #36

"Some people cite a belief in a deity." trotsky Mar 2020 #18

Speak to the topic of this thread. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #22

When you stop diverting on other threats by "whatabouting" China, trotsky Mar 2020 #28

Be the change you wish to see. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #32

Why won't you, then? trotsky Mar 2020 #34

Despite your endless attempts to link the actions of the Chinese government to atheism... trotsky Mar 2020 #17

If you had read the article, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #23

I read the article. And the facts support me. trotsky Mar 2020 #29

From the article: trotsky Mar 2020 #30

Whataboutism 101. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #24

You are certainly an expert on whataboutism, I'll give you that. trotsky Mar 2020 #31

Of the 3 who responded here, 100% of them engaged in whataboutism. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #76

Ah, I see you're including yourself. trotsky Mar 2020 #77

I started the thread. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #78

That's your claim. trotsky Mar 2020 #79