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MineralMan

(148,008 posts)
15. Still, the inscription on that cheap copper ring
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:25 AM
Jul 2019

is in Greek. What does it mean? That's another question altogether. In reality, we have nothing - just an old ring that reads "PILATO" in Greek as a mirror image, as a ring designed to stamp something would be.

Was it Pontius Pilate's ring? Why would he have a ring made of a copper alloy. Why not silver or gold? Did he personally stamp goods with such a ring? Doubtful. If the ring has anything to do with Pontious Pilate, it was probably one used by some underling of his in some commercial way. For example, I have a Mickey Mouse ring made of pot metal that I got in 1955 at Disneyland. That ring does not prove that Mickey Mouse is a real mouse, nor that it ever existed as such.

Like most archaeological finds of this sort, what we have is an object. The story behind that object is, and will remain, unknown.

Same with a Byzantine-period church. Will they find an inscription that relates to Peter or Andrew? Well, since those weren't actually their names, probably not. And even if there was an inscription, it couldn't have been made before the middle of the fourth century, since that's when the Byzantine period starts. So, all we have is some eight century Bishop claiming that "it is said that" the church was built on the site of the home of Peter and Andrew. "It is said" is not evidence, some 700+ years later. Who said it? Nobody who actually knows, Bishop.

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How do you get "Pontius Pilate" from that??? Jake Stern Jul 2019 #1
The same way you get "No Collusion" from Muller's report. 3Hotdogs Jul 2019 #2
So further down in the article Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #3
Faith, I guess. trotsky Jul 2019 #4
Except we know PP was a real person Major Nikon Jul 2019 #5
Pretty interesting... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #6
It was at least around 70 years before anyone bothered to write anything down about him Major Nikon Jul 2019 #8
Yes. Someone noticed a minor Roman official but not MineralMan Jul 2019 #9
Until the 1960s there was pretty much nothing. Igel Jul 2019 #10
Ugh. trotsky Jul 2019 #13
It actually reads PILATO MineralMan Jul 2019 #7
Some forget that Greek would have been the Imperial language in the area. Igel Jul 2019 #11
Yup. It's funny, really. MineralMan Jul 2019 #12
1st century the official language was Latin. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #14
Still, the inscription on that cheap copper ring MineralMan Jul 2019 #15
Does "Pilato' have meaning in-of-itself in Greek? Is it a... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #16
Nope. I ran it through Google Translate, which just gave me: PILATO from MineralMan Jul 2019 #17
I'm not willing to make such an assurance... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #18
Sorry. I can't help you with that. I have no knowledge of Greek MineralMan Jul 2019 #19
It's the Greek form of a Latin name. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #20
still if the claim is that it is a 'seal' ring for signing Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #21
I agree. MineralMan Jul 2019 #22
Even if it was Pilate's ring (some good posts here about raccoon Jul 2019 #23
I wholeheartedley agree... uriel1972 Jul 2019 #24
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