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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
13. Ugh.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 04:20 PM
Jul 2019

So many things wrong with that but I'll just focus on the two most glaring. For both, I'd like you to keep in mind the adage of "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

We're willing to believe indigenous oral traditions from the Americans and Africa that go back hundreds and hundreds of years.

Many oral traditions of native peoples describe locations of now-unknown civilizations. Nothing extraordinary about that. And we can confirm it - sending archaeological teams to focus on a particular site (and sometimes finding it!). Other oral traditions center around hunting areas or agricultural operations, etc. Again, ordinary and quite verifiable in many cases.

Do you have any specific examples of extraordinary claims in oral traditions that we believe without evidence? Please share them if you do.

But if was written down from eyewitnesses, if it was written down 20 or 30 years after the fact, well, who can trust *that*?

When the claims are extraordinary, AND when there is literally no evidence that any "eyewitnesses" of Jesus (let alone the guy himself) actually wrote ANYTHING, then yeah, there is no reason to believe what you as a Christian accept as testimony. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You do realize that none of the men whose names are on the gospels actually *wrote* them, right?

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How do you get "Pontius Pilate" from that??? Jake Stern Jul 2019 #1
The same way you get "No Collusion" from Muller's report. 3Hotdogs Jul 2019 #2
So further down in the article Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #3
Faith, I guess. trotsky Jul 2019 #4
Except we know PP was a real person Major Nikon Jul 2019 #5
Pretty interesting... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #6
It was at least around 70 years before anyone bothered to write anything down about him Major Nikon Jul 2019 #8
Yes. Someone noticed a minor Roman official but not MineralMan Jul 2019 #9
Until the 1960s there was pretty much nothing. Igel Jul 2019 #10
Ugh. trotsky Jul 2019 #13
It actually reads PILATO MineralMan Jul 2019 #7
Some forget that Greek would have been the Imperial language in the area. Igel Jul 2019 #11
Yup. It's funny, really. MineralMan Jul 2019 #12
1st century the official language was Latin. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #14
Still, the inscription on that cheap copper ring MineralMan Jul 2019 #15
Does "Pilato' have meaning in-of-itself in Greek? Is it a... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #16
Nope. I ran it through Google Translate, which just gave me: PILATO from MineralMan Jul 2019 #17
I'm not willing to make such an assurance... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #18
Sorry. I can't help you with that. I have no knowledge of Greek MineralMan Jul 2019 #19
It's the Greek form of a Latin name. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #20
still if the claim is that it is a 'seal' ring for signing Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #21
I agree. MineralMan Jul 2019 #22
Even if it was Pilate's ring (some good posts here about raccoon Jul 2019 #23
I wholeheartedley agree... uriel1972 Jul 2019 #24
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