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Lordquinton

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103. Man, that article is a white wash

Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:45 PM

Jun 2019

Second, the institutional church’s relationship to L.G.B.T. people today is fraught. But there are historical examples of kindness between Catholics and L.G.B.T. people during the epidemic that can be helpful as we navigate major societal shifts.

The implication that somehow it's today's church that has some issues with LGBT "because of the perceived hostility of some church leaders toward those with non-normative sexualities." (AKA The Pope) but then tries to make it seem like that's just how it is now (without pointing any fingers, of course) I should be front and center that what made these people brave was how they went against church teachings. Instead they are being used as a prop for rehabilitation of a well earned image.

The RCC helped wipe out an entire generation of LGBT, the community bears the scars and many don't even know why, which is why education and pride are so very important. The church needs to be reminded of it's actual role in the epidemic, and we cannot allow them to act like they were on the right side.

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The secret history of Catholic caregivers and the AIDS epidemic [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2019 OP

What is the current position of the RCC on the use of condoms to prevent transmission? trotsky Jun 2019 #1

Old article. Has it changed much? Cartoonist Jun 2019 #2

So it would appear the positive examples given in the OP are people who ignored their religion... trotsky Jun 2019 #3

Did you read the bolded portion? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #9

I did indeed. trotsky Jun 2019 #11

And what did you do? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #13

Why are you reluctant to talk about the religious aspects of this topic? trotsky Jun 2019 #15

Diversion in service to your agenda. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #17

Why are you reluctant to talk about the religious aspects of this topic? trotsky Jun 2019 #20

Continued whataboutism. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #35

Why are you reluctant to talk about the religious aspects of this topic? trotsky Jun 2019 #52

Because child raping priests and the RCCs coverup needs a "counterpoint" Major Nikon Jun 2019 #23

Nailed it. n/t trotsky Jun 2019 #25

Well, I'll tell you what I did. What did YOU do? MineralMan Jun 2019 #28

May 31, 2019. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #4

Please read carefully. trotsky Jun 2019 #7

If you read the article, you know what it is about. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #5

Why are you misrepresenting my position? To control the narrative? trotsky Jun 2019 #6

You engaged in classic whataboutism. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #8

Your article is about Catholics helping AIDS patients. trotsky Jun 2019 #10

Classic whataboutism. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #12

"one of us does not know what the term actually means." trotsky Jun 2019 #14

But you do not understand it. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #16

Whataboutism is more than your cherry-picked sentence. trotsky Jun 2019 #19

Laughable. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author trotsky Jun 2019 #54

You posted about Catholics in particular helping AIDS victims. trotsky Jun 2019 #59

So do you now understand why your response guillaumeb Jun 2019 #75

Nope. Because it's not. trotsky Jun 2019 #85

Sorry for your misunderstanding. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #104

#gaslighting trotsky Jun 2019 #116

Because some people have a deeply seeded need to pretend they are a victim Major Nikon Jun 2019 #26

Ironic that you bring this up. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #29

Perhaps the numerous personal messages Gil receives Mariana Jun 2019 #45

Entirely possible. trotsky Jun 2019 #55

I wonder if he has any new material planned for this season Mariana Jun 2019 #57

Well, it appears he was finally shamed into abandoning his "choir" and "11th commandment" nonsense. trotsky Jun 2019 #58

His "choir" routine appears to be back in the rotation. Mariana Jun 2019 #60

Well damn, I spoke too soon. trotsky Jun 2019 #61

Congratualtions on being the first responder, guillaumeb Jun 2019 #46

... Mariana Jun 2019 #47

LOL! MineralMan Jun 2019 #48

More sad than laughable. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #49

... Mariana Jun 2019 #51

LOL! The choir... MineralMan Jun 2019 #62

I'm still waiting for the 11th Commandment schtick to come back around Major Nikon Jun 2019 #63

I'm still waiting for him to answer the same question he asked: MineralMan Jun 2019 #64

You just don't understand Major Nikon Jun 2019 #66

Well, M. B. has issues with his homilectics, I think. MineralMan Jun 2019 #67

"arguments"? Major Nikon Jun 2019 #70

That's entirely possible. It's easy to conflate MineralMan Jun 2019 #71

Some reduce such conflations into a low art form Major Nikon Jun 2019 #72

More of a sextet at this point. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #76

A sextet sings louder than a soloist. MineralMan Jun 2019 #79

But there is such harmony. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #80

Choir! Whatabout Chinese Atheists! 11th Commandment! Major Nikon Jun 2019 #50

I'm sorry you don't understand what that word means. trotsky Jun 2019 #56

Some Catholics, including some priests and nuns, did good work, yes, MineralMan Jun 2019 #18

Exactly. trotsky Jun 2019 #21

Well, perhaps Monsieur B was unaware of the church's long and MineralMan Jun 2019 #22

Why it's almost as if he just wants to control the narrative. trotsky Jun 2019 #24

Well, that trick never works out well for Monsieur B. MineralMan Jun 2019 #27

The 1/2 that is correct is outweighed by the 1/2 that is nonsense. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #34

You're not making sense, Monsieur B. MineralMan Jun 2019 #39

If you cannot understand what I said, guillaumeb Jun 2019 #42

Gil, if your posts are being misunderstood all the time Mariana Jun 2019 #43

Nonsense. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #44

The narrative you keep whining about is the one you yourself have created. trotsky Jun 2019 #69

More diversion. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #33

Good work WAS done. trotsky Jun 2019 #53

You just don't understand Major Nikon Jun 2019 #65

Finally. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #74

I never said this wasn't a good thing, g. Quit pushing your false narrative. trotsky Jun 2019 #84

Yes, by all means enable the whataboutism. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #32

Truth is my motive, Monsieur B. MineralMan Jun 2019 #38

A good one. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #41

... Major Nikon Jun 2019 #36

Your assertion is ridiculous, guillaumeb Jun 2019 #31

Oh, bother and balderdash! MineralMan Jun 2019 #37

Much better. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #40

LOL Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #68

I apologize for posting good news. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #77

... Mariana Jun 2019 #81

You shouldn't apologize for posting good news. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #83

I understand that good news about theists offends you. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #102

So I have learned from this edhopper Jun 2019 #73

I would say, with all respect, that you have not learned from this. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #78

Yes, imply anyone who disagrees with you is stupid or confused. trotsky Jun 2019 #86

It was "what about this" edhopper Jun 2019 #87

Oh dear. trotsky Jun 2019 #96

Always have been edhopper Jun 2019 #100

It is diversion and whataboutism to attemtp to divert, guillaumeb Jun 2019 #105

Nope, edhopper Jun 2019 #108

Your last point is diversion from the actual topic. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #109

It seems to be about CATHOLICS and AIDS edhopper Jun 2019 #110

Catholics are a subset of theists. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #111

So is the subset of theists who shunned and excluded MineralMan Jun 2019 #112

So it is about Catholics and AIDS edhopper Jun 2019 #113

I think this is the kind of dialog Gil would like to see here: Mariana Jun 2019 #114

Which is also a subset of catholics, who ignored, or campaiged against tools that would limit AIDS AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #117

A short Democratic Underground play. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #101

The most prolific whatabouter keeps pointing the whatabout finger Major Nikon Jun 2019 #82

I have a question about the article. Why is the history "secret"? trotsky Jun 2019 #88

Oh, good question... MineralMan Jun 2019 #89

Bzzzt. trotsky Jun 2019 #95

So, some individuals defied their official church position on an issue and did some nice work AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #90

Yes. Exactly. MineralMan Jun 2019 #91

It is my personal belief that the RCC is quite fine with people being poor, and in dire straits AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #92

I suppose it depends on what level of the hierarchy you're talking about. MineralMan Jun 2019 #93

Oh absolutely. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #94

Just take a look at Mother Teresa's operation. trotsky Jun 2019 #97

She praised the suffering OTHER people endured. Mariana Jun 2019 #98

Well c'mon now. trotsky Jun 2019 #99

Man, that article is a white wash Lordquinton Jun 2019 #103

Was the article untrue? eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #106

Was I incorrect in anything I said? Lordquinton Jun 2019 #107

Was I incorrect in anything I said? Lordquinton Jun 2019 #115

You've had a long time to think about it, Was I incorrect in anything I said? Lordquinton Jun 2019 #118